Yeah they are taking the absolute piss at $400 a throw and they have your money for close to 5 months. Very greedy move. I just pre-ordered S1 ar $200 which is about USD prices but I'm expecting that to drop as more and more of it becomes available. Every UD Hockey products since 2020-21 S2 has dropped after release. That's 2020-21 Extended( complete trash which has lost 70% of its value. And then the next 6 releases after that 2021-22 S1,S2( my case, lol) Extended and 2022-23 S1, S2 and Extended.
Good luck with the SP Game Used. I loathe that product only because it's a really tough rip. Also has mostly stickers autos blah blah. That's just my opinion. The productd does have a solid fan base though and it's popular. I'm no expert but if you are buying hockey wax for investment purposes I would buy SPA and The Cup. The latter is expensive but it's the undisputed no.1 brand and. The real risk at the moment with sealed high end wax is if UD make Bedard a redemption. Pre-sell is available way before a checklist comes out and that's a massive problem.
2021-22 SPA is almost guaranteed to bust even if the crop excels because most of the best names are redemptions.
I doubt they would do it with Bedard but always keep in mind that the manufacturers don't give 2 cents for collectors. They are trying to extraxt max value in the shortest period possible - knowing that their exclusive licence may not get renewed.
Big rant. I just saw the Cherry price and had to come on here but you well and truly beat me to it. I might even wait for S2 to hit epack. It will be cheaper than $400AUD.
I didn't realise it was only $275 AUD. That's a crazy low price. Maybe they realise they messed up and will now overcompensate. That's a no brainer at $275AUD.SPG should be at double flagship. Your boxes should be $800 already!
My guess is they release at anywhere between $300USD and $400USD. A bit depends on how he performs between now and then. That's another factor that is an unknown.
$275AUD, lol. Bargain!!!!
That's why you buy boxes and then sell it to people to open themselves!I'd like to splurge on wax but my last 5 boxes were overall disappointing and that because of QC. Every YG in those 5 boxes is ungradeable.
UD is the worst in terms of QC.
I might buy one more case if I can get the funds together but that will be it for a while. I've spent a small fortune on wax in the past 6 years - especially in 2018 and 2019.
2020-21 The Cup came out here at close to $1500AUD from memory. 2023-24( probably released in 2025 will be 3K AUD for sure. It usually releases in the US for 1K so it will be double. However, 2021-22 The Cup has yet to be released so they still have to release that and 2022-23. Maybe 2026!LOL Looking at steel city though for 2015/16 (hoping the same trajectory)
The Cup - $6,000US
SPA - $4,000US
SP Game Used - 850US
Hoping that the bigger boxes come out here cheaper, but wouldn't surprise me seeing The Cup at $1500 and SPA for $1000.
Yeah i forgot about that. If it's 3k I am out.2020-21 The Cup came out here at close to $1500AUD from memory. 2023-24( probably released in 2025 will be 3K AUD for sure. It usually releases in the US for 1K so it will be double. However, 2021-22 The Cup has yet to be released so they still have to release that and 2022-23. Maybe 2026!
Yes that would be nice if you go that way. Just looking at that those prices are down from peak. That's another tricky thing. You have to try and time it. Often wax will go up 3X -6X and then start to come back down. People who bought 2016 Bowman chrome at peak would be borderline suicidal.LOL Looking at steel city though for 2015/16 (hoping the same trajectory)
The Cup - $6,000US
SPA - $4,000US
SP Game Used - 850US
Hoping that the bigger boxes come out here cheaper, but wouldn't surprise me seeing The Cup at $1500 and SPA for $1000.
Yep. Buy it in 2016 when it was freeYes that would be nice if you go that way. Just looking at that those prices are down from peak. That's another tricky thing. You have to try and time it. Often wax will go up 3X -6X and then start to come back down. People who bought 2016 Bowman chrome at peak would be borderline suicidal.
I'd almost bet on it being 3K AUD. Maybe higher. Still if it goes up a modest 30% you're good. If it does 3X you're flying.Yes that would be nice if you go that way. Just looking at that those prices are down from peak. That's another tricky thing. You have to try and time it. Often wax will go up 3X -6X and then start to come back down. People who bought 2016 Bowman chrome at peak would be borderline suicidal.
I'll be trying hard for a cheap preorder. 1k and I'd break the bad news to the missus laterI'd almost bet on it being 3K AUD. Maybe higher. Still if it goes up a modest 30% you're good. If it does 3X you're flying.
People who bought prior to covid made and continue to make a killing. However, 2016 Bowman chrome case was selling for forty grand USD at one point when Soto but especially Tatis and Vlad were hot in 2021 early 2022. It must now be down 70% from peak. But yes if you bought in 2016 you were laughing.Yep. Buy it in 2016 when it was free
Hockey still isn't too bad but this will break the Hobby's back
People who bought prior to covid made and continue to make a killing. However, 2016 BCA was selling for forty grand USD at one point when Soto but especially Tatis and Vlad were hot in 2021 early 2022. It must now be down 70% from peak. But yes if you bought in 2016 you were laughing.
I think that 2020/21 was a once in a lifetime thing. People who say that another boom will happen are either deluded or grifters. Overproduction will ensure it can't. And we are never going into lockdown again and handing out free money. In hindsight it was so easy to put 90% of what fuelled the boom down to those two things.
No. I haven't looked on there for months. There are some huge sealed wax collectors over there. 2018-19 Prizm basketball is the product that comes to mind readily when I think of peak and where it is now. I watched Laytons break a hobby box of it in late 2021 for 8K or 9K USD. That's life changing money if you bought lots of cases of it at release. It's probably at $1500 these days and guaranteed to drop further. Crazy stuff
I hope he works out for you. If he flies out the gate early next season I'd be tempted to grab the 2X 3X and move on.
I just took a 66% mauling on an Edgar Quero Bowman auto. Bought 50% below peak, held on, then he gets traded and the upside now looks minimal so better to take the loss and buy cards for my sets. Also, Cristian Santana from the Tigers has hurt me. The so called "gift that keeps on giving" that was 2021 Bowman Chrome is now looking like most Bowman Chrome releases - 95% of the checklist flopping. I hit Cristian Hernandez( the best prospect at release) in a hobby box from Cherry and at the time he was still fetching $200USD raw. His peak was $300USD. Instead of immediately selling the card I got it graded, got a PSA9 and he then proceeded to crap the bed. I haven't looked but the card might now be worth $50 USD max.
Again, hope Verdugo works out for you.
Just the 5K!. Well now I really hope he works out. I thought you'd spent about a Jumbo hobby box worth. That's impressive.
I've lost my Bowman prospecting touch. Probably never had it anyway.
I'm going to focus on AFL next year. Last season rejuvenated my love for the sport and I may as well have that roll back into cards.
P.S. Can't believe the boxes of 2023-24 SP Game Used are still available presell for $300AUD!. Can't go wrong if you don't open it. $400 for S2 though is nuts. Lots to go wrong if you do that as an investment.
Cheers!
I am now of the belief any big hit has to be sold straight away. Doesn't matter, 99% of the time, you are going to come out ahead selling straight away. From now on, if i open a decent box, unless its something i really want, then its going straight away.
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