BEWARE => "good_old_bball" !!! HE CHEATED ME !!

[unclesteppy]

Re: For those still interested - Steve makes contact

I've stayed out of this bicker and banter and just read the quotes etc, but geez there's some clowns on HK, Guess they follow Port Power too. lol

lol that is gold

 

[AyiosYiorgos]

Re: For those still interested - Steve makes contact

Damn my evil plan has been exposed, time to move out of my Ivory tower, get rid of the hairless cat, ditch the cigar and slide into mainstream surburbia......

 

[graham]

I've merged the new thread with the original thread and reopened it.

 

[nazimcricket]

What a mess! It would be good press for OCT if the admins can work with Cherry to ensure that IF and WHEN Steve clears his debt with Cherry, the card is sent directly from Cherry to Bolli. This would give everyone a chance to take a deep breath, for Steve to start repairing his reputation, for Cherry to get out of being embroiled in this issue any further and for OCT to be recognised for the decent place it is.

 

[lilreddevil]

Just want to let everyone know that I have had an email back from Steve. I won't c/p here but I'll just quote one sentence which I thought was interesting:

It is my bad cos I made a deal wih him before I had the card I am sending him back in hand.

Was good to get some correspondence back from him and I just hope this situation can be cleared up soon :v:

 

[Richo]

Re: For those still interested - Steve makes contact

It's great to see at least something from Steve, but in so many peoples minds, it's probably just to little to late. Even if Bolli gets the card, this has been a absolute disaster and he has still done one of the worse things he could have being such a trusted trader!

Spot on IMHO

 

[ooneil]

Sure its not good what Steve has done but Bolli also needs to accept some blame here. He didnt follow trade rules and then after the deal starts to go pear shaped he managed to cancel the paypal claim.

 

[AyiosYiorgos]

Your assuming the deal was done via OCT as stated they're both member of other sites, so what trade rules apply then...
Boli only mistake was cancelling the paypal claim, friend or no friend he should have left it open, he just trusted someone too much....

Sure its not good what Steve has done but Bolli also needs to accept some blame here. He didnt follow trade rules and then after the deal starts to go pear shaped he managed to cancel the paypal claim.

 

[jared_davey]

Your assuming the deal was done via OCT as stated they're both member of other sites, so what trade rules apply then...
Boli only mistake was cancelling the paypal claim, friend or no friend he should have left it open, he just trusted someone too much....

i totally very much agree.

theres no way on earth i could trust someone on the internet, let alone someone on the other side of the world, enough to send either gift, or cancel the paypal claim.
that was serious $$ involved.

IMO, if your stupid enough to do that, you probably deserve to be jacked at one point or another.
not that i condone what has happened, or what is going on.

if your silly enough to trust someone that much without ever meeting them in person to conduct the trade, im sorry bolli, but itts partially your own fault.

i know that may hurt, but thems the rocks.

i wouldnt trust my missus with $6k, love ya babe
let alone someone on the other side of the world, that is nothing but an 'internet friend'
sorry for your loss, and i hope you can recover some, if not all your losses, and i hope that steve shows up at some stage.

i think the boat had sailed after you canceled the claim.
keep the claim and his account goes into 4 digit negatives, i think he may have some something about this mess, yet you didnt and the process just continued on its merry way.


sorry if this was blunt, but its just IMO mate.

 

[lilreddevil]

Your assuming the deal was done via OCT as stated they're both member of other sites, so what trade rules apply then...
Boli only mistake was cancelling the paypal claim, friend or no friend he should have left it open, he just trusted someone too much....

Bolli showed himself that the deal was done via a forum which used deal threads. Doesn't even matter if it's not OCT, all card-trading forums use deal threads to make deals official.

"Ok this deal. I dont really want to make it too public and post as a transaction. i dont want people looking at our deal thread and give us an evil eye or something lol lol. Some people can be nosey and I like to keep my business about money I make private when its a high deal like this. we can make one after though and feedback each other, and will just write "MJ Auto for Paypal". but anyway. Ok yes all good with the payment plan like we already spoke. with your first payment mohammed, can you send it in 2 payments?? So dont send one full payment (if your sending this amount like you said) of $1,225 now. So send it as $612.50 and then another of $612.50 please. I will let you know how much the fees are, you will be surprised lol lol."

Who is stupid enough to make a deal without a deal thread with someone who they've never met before and only contacted through the internet? Tell me how that's not a mistake?

 

[graham]

Your assuming the deal was done via OCT as stated they're both member of other sites, so what trade rules apply then...
Boli only mistake was cancelling the paypal claim, friend or no friend he should have left it open, he just trusted someone too much....

There was no trade deal done on ANY site. If it had been posted up as is supposed to happen perhaps this would have been caught a lot earlier than now.

If the deal was done via this site, its yet another example of people not following the rules as are laid out pretty clearly here.

I am not condoning what has happened (far from it) and it's going to take one pretty big explanation from Steve for his account to remain active after this (no amount of saying I'm not dodgy or I'm not trying to rip anyone off is going to cut the mustard). In this hobby, actions speak far louder than words. You don't **** someone around like he has done for so much cash and not have consequences.

As far as I understand it he hasn't even made a commitment to resolve it, just that he will eventually. This is just wrong.

What has happened so far is cyber fraud and only this week a girl went to jail for accepting money for goods he didn't have. I seriously hope Steve understands the seriousness of this situation. Once the AFP are involved it's not something you can just brush off by ignoring emails.

He needs to sort this out one way or another. If it means selling cards or sending cash and cards back to Bolli or paying Grayson back to get the card back so he can send it.

The time for action is now and his future here will be dependent on what action he takes. Unless this is sorted out swiftly I'm sorry to say the end result won't be a happy one.

 

[Richo]

There was no trade deal done on ANY site. If it had been posted up as is supposed to happen perhaps this would have been caught a lot earlier than now.

If the deal was done via this site, its yet another example of people not following the rules as are laid out pretty clearly here.

I am not condoning what has happened (far from it) and it's going to take one pretty big explanation from Steve for his account to remain active after this (no amount of saying I'm not dodgy or I'm not trying to rip anyone off is going to cut the mustard). In this hobby, actions speak far louder than words. You don't **** someone around like he has done for so much cash and not have consequences.

As far as I understand it he hasn't even made a commitment to resolve it, just that he will eventually. This is just wrong.

What has happened so far is cyber fraud and only this week a girl went to jail for accepting money for goods he didn't have. I seriously hope Steve understands the seriousness of this situation. Once the AFP are involved it's not something you can just brush off by ignoring emails.

He needs to sort this out one way or another. If it means selling cards or sending cash and cards back to Bolli or paying Grayson back to get the card back so he can send it.

The time for action is now and his future here will be dependent on what action he takes. Unless this is sorted out swiftly I'm sorry to say the end result won't be a happy one.

Couldn't agree more!

 

[Billyhoyle]

great post G, and for anyone who has read the thread over at HK - Thanks to those that have stood up for OCT, this is a fantastic community of collectors we have here and it's unfortunate that Jinrai, had problems with a trade and then didn't deal with it at all and has to continue the poor form on HK.

 

[Bolli]

Re: What happens to forum members who rip other members off

Hey, nice to see this thread (thanks to Richo ). I asked a mod if he could open the threat in that we talked because of the Steve-deal but he told me => NO I don´t know why!

So I´ll post here the actually situation. Around one week after I opened the thread I got a mail from Steve. I have to say that I am/was about about that because that better to hear nothing.

That was his first mail...

"Bro I am so sorry. Yes I am 100% in the wrong, but just know I will never rip you (or anyone else off). I haven't read ur email only the subject and first line preview, but I saw some people had emailed me saying the news about threads being strted etc etc.
This is my first login since I spoke to you last, but know I am getting on top of hints to honor your dealand other deals I also have pending. I'm so sorry Mohammed, you make me feel as small as an ant :-(
Steve"

Very short and it doesn´t answer anything. I sent him a answer and 24 hours later I got this mail...

"Bro that's cool, I don't blame u for getting mad or whatever. Ling story short, I am getting the card from Cherry and sending it to you, like I always was planning to do. I NEVER was not going to send it. Your package is ready for shipping and all I have to do is put the card inside. I emailed cherry last night after I sent you the msg and I told him to give me his bank details so I can send him the money. I just checked my email now and he has not replied yet. Hopefully I hear from him soon so I can fix it up and send you the card ASAP.
I'm so sorry Mohammed and hopefully the bonus card wil make up even 1% of happiness.

I will keep you updated when I have a chance, I really am still flatout wih work (and everything I said to you about work and personal is 100% real), the only thing I didn't tell you was cherry is holding the MJ card. Apologies from THE BOTTOM of my heart, and I hope one day I can gain ur trust back, because in my book you are STILL one of my favorite friends on the I Internet (outside and inside the hobby).
Regards

Ps. Another friend emailed me to say u messages Australia police about the situation. Bro that's ok because I have nothing to hide, and I'm not here to steal or rob from anyone. So if you did do that, that's ok and I am not mad or upset because really you only know me from what we speak and tell each other, so I can understand with many scams that happen on the Internet why you may have thought you should do that.
Thanks again"

So I really have the hope that this deal will have a good end. When I get the cards then everything is OK. Everybody can make a big mistake but the most important thing is that the same person try to make it again good.

I´ll let you know when I get post from Australia

Thanks Buddies for all your help.

 

[Matt26]

Bolli, I hope it works out for you. Good luck!

 

[Bolli]

@Matt26: thanks Buddy. I hope that, too.

@all: I think I´ll learn from this mistake and I´ll never accept again to not open a deal thread (specially for high end deals). I think it´s ridiculous to say that a whole Community is bad when 1-2 members are bad (or made mistakes). I made many nice deals on this Community and I met many people that I like (much more after I opened this bad thread because I saw how many guys here are ready to help!). And you can be sure that I´ll be a good member in the future

 

[ooneil]

@Matt26: thanks Buddy. I hope that, too.

@all: I think I´ll learn from this mistake and I´ll never accept again to not open a deal thread (specially for high end deals). I think it´s ridiculous to say that a whole Community is bad when 1-2 members are bad (or made mistakes). I made many nice deals on this Community and I met many people that I like (much more after I opened this bad thread because I saw how many guys here are ready to help!). And you can be sure that I´ll be a good member in the future

Bolli have you been in contact with Cherry to see what he has been told by Steve??

 

[Bolli]

@ooneil: yes, I sent him a mail if the informations of Steve are correct but I still have no answer from Cherry

 

[Richo]

@ooneil: yes, I sent him a mail if the informations of Steve are correct but I still have no answer from Cherry

Let us know when you hear back from him.......it all sounds like the same BS you were spun last time to be honest....excuses and no specifics!

 

[AyiosYiorgos]

Not sure if this deal was done via this site, maybe Boli can confirm, but both these guys are members of other card sites as well, so for clowns on other sites to have ago about OCT is a bit rich...
Anyway i meet someone over the internet who was not a member here or any other sites, been cautious of giving money away to a stranger($400), i rang Paypal told them ithe story and asked them what is the best way to cover myself just in case he ripped me off, told me to make sure that in the comments box to note down what the money was for etc, i then hung up and rang them again, got a different operator told me the same thing, did the deal that way cards arrived all good, but even if they did not arrive, i was still relaxed knowing that my money was safe....

There was no trade deal done on ANY site. If it had been posted up as is supposed to happen perhaps this would have been caught a lot earlier than now.

If the deal was done via this site, its yet another example of people not following the rules as are laid out pretty clearly here.

I am not condoning what has happened (far from it) and it's going to take one pretty big explanation from Steve for his account to remain active after this (no amount of saying I'm not dodgy or I'm not trying to rip anyone off is going to cut the mustard). In this hobby, actions speak far louder than words. You don't **** someone around like he has done for so much cash and not have consequences.

As far as I understand it he hasn't even made a commitment to resolve it, just that he will eventually. This is just wrong.

What has happened so far is cyber fraud and only this week a girl went to jail for accepting money for goods he didn't have. I seriously hope Steve understands the seriousness of this situation. Once the AFP are involved it's not something you can just brush off by ignoring emails.

He needs to sort this out one way or another. If it means selling cards or sending cash and cards back to Bolli or paying Grayson back to get the card back so he can send it.

The time for action is now and his future here will be dependent on what action he takes. Unless this is sorted out swiftly I'm sorry to say the end result won't be a happy one.