mattyj
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What a load of crap...Thats why there is TWO (2) international umpires, for this series it was a West Indian and an Englishman...
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What a load of crap...Thats why there is TWO (2) international umpires, for this series it was a West Indian and an Englishman...
infestacide
Metal Head
i dont agree with more technology, we might as well just have robots vs robots then
wall4ace
BEN WALLACE COLLECTOR
Sports should be about who is actually better performing the activities required... the use of human umpires introduces way too much error and it is increasingly becoming a major factor of the outcome. Like in soccer, what is the deal with using video replays in the situation where the ball hits the crossbar, hits behind the line but because the ball has spin on it, it bounces out of the goal.... i have seen that in lots of matches where the decision is up to a referee who was standing half way down the field in no position to make the call... the TV has all the angles required and yet was not used. Soccer is like cricket, one goal or a wicket turns the who match and these kinds of sports are the ones that should introduce a more technological approach... not totally no umpire but umpires should understand they are not the best person to make the decision, like for lbw, faint edges, catches that didn't carry... these are all points for modern day cricket to consider... it is unfortunate that umpires are exposed by technology as error-proned but now we know that it can be improved, we should not just sit here and ignore the many technologies available (which is what most sports are like)
I actually like the way the NRL has used technology. I am very impressed with how the ref is confident in his decisions and goes to the TV umpire whenever needed for whatever reasons which is what I want to see from cricket, not limiting TV umpiring for runouts or catches.
I actually like the way the NRL has used technology. I am very impressed with how the ref is confident in his decisions and goes to the TV umpire whenever needed for whatever reasons which is what I want to see from cricket, not limiting TV umpiring for runouts or catches.
excatly what next no umpires for footy,basketball????
MOST Cricket players & watchers understand the human error element and don't mind it being part of the game. I don't mind technology being used for run-outs & stumpings but that is where I prefer it to end (JMHO).
Do you know anything about the neutral umpiring scheme they use ???
For your info:
A quote from a sports writer on recent wrong umpiring decisions:
"There were 12 mistakes in SCG Test scored 8-4 (Meaning 8 wrong calls against India and 4 against Australia). There were 7 mistakes in the MCG Test scored 4-3; Total 12 -7 so far . There were 34 umpiring mistakes in 2005 Ashes series, Scored 25-9 ."
Now I don't remember Australia asking for an umpire to be replaced !?! Who is not playing in the Spirit of the game ???
Answer = INDIA
Footycardtrader
OzCardTrader
I'm with you Richo.... How can you seriously use technology for lbw's??? Who says 'hawkeye' is 100% accurate?? With such variables... expecially on the last day of a test... you can not rely on it... some balls keep real low, so kick of a crack in the pitch...
Why is it such a big/massive issue all of a sudden? Indians are just 'sour pusses'!!! You know the real reason they lost.... they choked!!!! simple....
ps. Richo... i'm working on your WCE list....
Just saw on the news the burning of things Australian by people in India. How do the tv cameras get there before it burns out, or before it is even started?
Are you serious? It's an easy formula to work out.
Whenever there is an event of outrageous significance in India (cricket loss, cricket controversy, election, political assassination etc.) people gather in masses and burn shit.
I guess then we will see who the true "monkeys" are.
I am aware of the use of neutral umpires which was introduced to make sure that decisions are less biased because statistically home umpires always favour the home team. But the problem now is that just the biased decisions but the decisions in general... I am totally aware of the hard time Australia got in England but that's bound to happen when the decisions are made by a bunch of incompetent individuals (they are more competent than most but cannot be called accurate at all)... outcome is that results can swing both ways.. now it comes down to if the fans want to watch the better team win or the luckier team win.
Technology can be used for the lbw in the following ways:
1) The ball is assumed to have hit the leg first but the ball has actually hit the bat first
2) The Hawkeye is not 100%, nothing in this world is, but if the Hawkeye is 75% correct, the umpire is no more than that. There is always a standard margin of error involved in these projections, this can be incorporated in the decision making process. Technology is not to be used blindly of course, there is an operator (third umpire) who makes the decision in the end. The technology is only used as part of the data involved in the decision making process.
India did choke because of the mental scarring of having been on the receiving end of such bad decisions. But if Andrew Symonds was given out on 30 and Australia has 130 less runs to play with, would India be in a position to choke?? I am blaming all this not on the players but rather on a flawed umpiring system that has been used over the years, now technology has come along and exposed their incompetence. Rather than playing by ancient rules that human errors should be part of the game, why can't the cricket ruling body make amends to improve the quality of the decisions for a fairer contest between 2 sides that have both played hard!!
1) The ball is assumed to have hit the leg first but the ball has actually hit the bat first
2) The Hawkeye is not 100%, nothing in this world is, but if the Hawkeye is 75% correct, the umpire is no more than that. There is always a standard margin of error involved in these projections, this can be incorporated in the decision making process. Technology is not to be used blindly of course, there is an operator (third umpire) who makes the decision in the end. The technology is only used as part of the data involved in the decision making process.
India did choke because of the mental scarring of having been on the receiving end of such bad decisions. But if Andrew Symonds was given out on 30 and Australia has 130 less runs to play with, would India be in a position to choke?? I am blaming all this not on the players but rather on a flawed umpiring system that has been used over the years, now technology has come along and exposed their incompetence. Rather than playing by ancient rules that human errors should be part of the game, why can't the cricket ruling body make amends to improve the quality of the decisions for a fairer contest between 2 sides that have both played hard!!
Don't be silly (Your statement in bold).
Fair enough there were some bad decisions but Test matches have been played and won without technology for over 100 years. There is no need to change it just because an umpire has a bad Test! Most cricketers know what goes around comes around......one day you'll get a bad decision against you and another for you.
I remember watching the 2005 Ashes series (5th Test I think) when Warney bowled a ball outside leg stump, it pitched, bit and turned sharp.......the batsman missed it and it took out leg stump. They replayed it on hawkeye and the bloody ball missed leg stump - WTF !!! Ever since then I have NEVER trusted it, as far as I am concerned if the ball is JUST nicking the stumps (on haweye) then that is as good as not out because hawkeye has too much of an error factor.
wall4ace
BEN WALLACE COLLECTOR
India did choke because of the mental scarring of having been on the receiving end of such bad decisions????
how funny that is arent india a world class team?and like richo said didnt see australia bitching how they got treated by the umpires in england?
india should just accept whats happened and get over it and play cricket,and also there bus driver should look where hes going after leaving there sydney hotel he crashed into a car
cheers
how funny that is arent india a world class team?and like richo said didnt see australia bitching how they got treated by the umpires in england?
india should just accept whats happened and get over it and play cricket,and also there bus driver should look where hes going after leaving there sydney hotel he crashed into a car
cheers
I have seen Australia crumble mentally in India a few years back when India made a huge comeback after losing the first test and following on the second test... it is common for anyone to be scarred mentally and get out in quick succession... I am not talking about the bitching after the match but rather the way they play after having a few decisions against them.
I agree with you that India should just focus on playing a good game at Perth and cut the bitching but the ICC should look at ways to improve umpiring as well.
I agree with you that India should just focus on playing a good game at Perth and cut the bitching but the ICC should look at ways to improve umpiring as well.
India did choke because of the mental scarring of having been on the receiving end of such bad decisions????
how funny that is arent india a world class team?and like richo said didnt see australia bitching how they got treated by the umpires in england?
india should just accept whats happened and get over it and play cricket,and also there bus driver should look where hes going after leaving there sydney hotel he crashed into a car
cheers
wall4ace
BEN WALLACE COLLECTOR
i can understand where ya coming from mate
but imo i dont think this has to do with scaring!
cheers
but imo i dont think this has to do with scaring!
cheers
There were only 5 people in the shot. No masses.
As a huge cricket fan I enjoy watching Aussie cricket - The thing that I think overseas teams, media etc are sick of is the constant behaviour issues - before u start on me I'll list a few.....
1 - Brett Lee - doing his 'triple punch the shit outa someone' routine when he gets them out. What's that for? We're playing sport here. I'll never forget Lee doing that one day when India were about 500-3 and he got Laxman out for about 140 or something - Lee had been smacked all over the place and had about 2-170 of 30 overs and he carried on like he'd just bowled him first ball. It was ridiculous and Ganguly made a point of adeclaring once lee had cracked 200 in his bowling figures!!
2. Adam Gilchrist - he can talk all he wants about not appealing unless he thinks its out, but when Dravid padded that ball to him the other day - he appealed by throwing the ball sky high before he knew whether it was out or not - don't tell me he didn't know what he was doing.
I also won't forget the time McCullum was facing Hogg last year and edged one into his pad. The ball popped up. Hogg appealed for lbw, Peter Parker fired him for that - meanwhile Gilly was diving round from behind the stumps trying to take the catch the edge was that big!! McCullum pointed at Gilly pointing out that he was trying to catch it - Parker reported him and he was fined for dissent/ gilly looked real guilty!!
3. Clarke - This 'agreement of Ponting/Kumbles of accepting a players word he took a catch is fine but Clarke took a catch against NZ in the Chappell/Hadlee and said he caught it when he didn't - then it happens again in the recent test when he also mouthed 'f*() off!' Now accepting a players word was the agreement - but what do u do when that player is lying? U can't tell me he knows for sure that he'd caught it - u know if u got your hand under a ball or not....
Now Ponting is harking on about 'playing hard and fair' etc but its' been too much and although u might argue there's been no massive bustup - I think it's the straw that has broken the camels back - and don't get stuck into me about it - read your own papers and see what people are writing.....
Also had to laugh seeing McGrath in tv tonight saying how Harbajan was a bit of a talker - will never forget him going off at Sarwan in the Windies!!!
To finish, I don't have a problem with non-walkers but as I've said previously - yr gonna get it in the ear all day if I'm playing!!!
1 - Brett Lee - doing his 'triple punch the shit outa someone' routine when he gets them out. What's that for? We're playing sport here. I'll never forget Lee doing that one day when India were about 500-3 and he got Laxman out for about 140 or something - Lee had been smacked all over the place and had about 2-170 of 30 overs and he carried on like he'd just bowled him first ball. It was ridiculous and Ganguly made a point of adeclaring once lee had cracked 200 in his bowling figures!!
2. Adam Gilchrist - he can talk all he wants about not appealing unless he thinks its out, but when Dravid padded that ball to him the other day - he appealed by throwing the ball sky high before he knew whether it was out or not - don't tell me he didn't know what he was doing.
I also won't forget the time McCullum was facing Hogg last year and edged one into his pad. The ball popped up. Hogg appealed for lbw, Peter Parker fired him for that - meanwhile Gilly was diving round from behind the stumps trying to take the catch the edge was that big!! McCullum pointed at Gilly pointing out that he was trying to catch it - Parker reported him and he was fined for dissent/ gilly looked real guilty!!
3. Clarke - This 'agreement of Ponting/Kumbles of accepting a players word he took a catch is fine but Clarke took a catch against NZ in the Chappell/Hadlee and said he caught it when he didn't - then it happens again in the recent test when he also mouthed 'f*() off!' Now accepting a players word was the agreement - but what do u do when that player is lying? U can't tell me he knows for sure that he'd caught it - u know if u got your hand under a ball or not....
Now Ponting is harking on about 'playing hard and fair' etc but its' been too much and although u might argue there's been no massive bustup - I think it's the straw that has broken the camels back - and don't get stuck into me about it - read your own papers and see what people are writing.....
Also had to laugh seeing McGrath in tv tonight saying how Harbajan was a bit of a talker - will never forget him going off at Sarwan in the Windies!!!
To finish, I don't have a problem with non-walkers but as I've said previously - yr gonna get it in the ear all day if I'm playing!!!
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