MattWasGF4L
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Chris Bosh = 10 + 18 + 7 + 0 + 16 + 9 = 60. oh well. yep it was right
Steve Nash - Yes, two time MVP is a sure thing.
Vince Carter - No. Not enough team success or transcedent individual success on his CV. More chance than his cousin T-Mac though.
Yao Ming - Yes - based on international role more than NBA career.
Tracy McGrady - No. Brilliant at his peak but not consistent enough over a long period, nor any team success.
Derek Fisher - No.
Ray Allen - Yes. All time leader in three pointers, a ring in his prime and a shot to win another one + Olympic gold get him over the line. Probably first ballot.
Chris Webber - No. Borderline as he was one of the best two or three players in the game in his best seasons - but didn't sustain them for long enough. Injury again a big factor.
Bill Laimbeer - No.
Jermaine O'Neal - No.
Chauncey Billups - Yes. He will get in eventually - very similar career to Joe Dumars with the Finals MVP getting him over the line.
Pau Gasol - Yes - 2 Championships and a great international career.
Grant Hill - Yes. 2 NCAA Championships, great individual career and a gold medal get him there.
Stephon Marbury - No.
Ben Wallace - No - but he could sneak in on the back of 4 DPoY awards and his Championship. That is quite a resume.
Chris Bosh - No, but time enough to make a case yet. Needs to get his stats back up there now LeBron is gone - 20,000 points & 10,000 rebounds + 2 rings should equal HoF.
Based on that system, Dirk Nowitzki gets just 69. Certainly not enough to "warrant" the selection, but I can guarantee he'll be entering that HOF!
15 + 20 + 6 + 0 + 20 + 3 + 5 = 69
Steve Nash - Yes - Most achieved player to never win a championship??
Vince Carter - No
Yao Ming - No
Tracy McGrady - No
Derek Fisher - No
Ray Allen - No
Chris Webber - No
Bill Laimbeer - No
Jermaine O'Neal - No
Chauncey Billups - No
Pau Gasol - No
Grant Hill - No
Stephon Marbury - No
Ben Wallace - Yes - Champion, All-Star and one of the best defenders this game's ever seen
Chris Bosh - No - Sure, the 20k points and 10k rebounds would help, but he's not going to get there. - 4yrs might get him the points, but he's going to need around 8yrs for those rebounds to rack up.
Great topic for discussion.
I think it's fine the way it is. There is a process in place and it works well.
Does Richmond deserve to go through? The stats say yes. He was on a losing team for so long though, but he was such a great shooter. At the end of the day, he beat out somebody to become a finalist. The other candidates must not have stacked up.
Maybe they need to hurry the system a little, I mean Shaq and a few others like Iverson and VC should be in soon. We're about to see TD, KG, PP and Kobe retire, they're all next in line.
What are your thoughts on the Glove? I did the numbers and he got a 60. Saying that the rating system you linked above doesn't take into account things like all-nba all-defensive teams etc. but I'm assuming these all play a part in the decision?My point for bringing it up was the process was not working well I think they're putting too many people in. I know it's a fine line but are you happy with 1000 people in there instead making it tougher and only taking a fifth of those?
I think they need to cut back, even take some people outIt's a Hall of Fame, you should have done something extraordinary, something that changed the game. Vince Carter revolutionised dunking but then will have also scored plenty of points, been a multiple time All Star etc etc.
I dunno, when I think wow Hall of Fame!!! Mitch Richmond doesn't come to mind.... Bill Russell does. Jordan. Shaq. The All Timers. I think the Hall is too watered down.
My point for bringing it up was the process was not working well I think they're putting too many people in. I know it's a fine line but are you happy with 1000 people in there instead making it tougher and only taking a fifth of those?
I think they need to cut back, even take some people outIt's a Hall of Fame, you should have done something extraordinary, something that changed the game. Vince Carter revolutionised dunking but then will have also scored plenty of points, been a multiple time All Star etc etc.
I dunno, when I think wow Hall of Fame!!! Mitch Richmond doesn't come to mind.... Bill Russell does. Jordan. Shaq. The All Timers. I think the Hall is too watered down.
What are your thoughts on the Glove? I did the numbers and he got a 60. Saying that the rating system you linked above doesn't take into account things like all-nba all-defensive teams etc. but I'm assuming these all play a part in the decision?
Richmond was in the all nba team quite frequently. Sure he wasn't the greatest ever, but he was a part of run tmc. If you had a list of guys, sure, but saying one guy that you don't think should be in there doesn't mean it's time to change the system. Didn't he also play for the USA?
I know what you're getting at, but it's not as if they're letting in scrub guys. All NBA, multiple all star appearances and team USA is kind of a big deal. Richmond probably came at a good time though, another 5 year's and he may not be a finalist.
how about pierce and iverson? they should both make it
What????
Most of these guys will be IN and well deserved.
But in times when the NBA was short of "standout" players, they're bound to make All NBA lists.
Mitch Richmond for me = yes.
Honestly, these guys are All-Stars, nothing more. Perhaps Allen, Laimbeer & Billups.
Vince Carter - ROY & 8x All-Star
Yao Ming - 8x All-Star as voted in by the country with the worlds highest population
Tracy McGrady - 2x Scoring Champ, 7x All-Star
Derek Fisher - 5x Champion, that's it. Ron Harper and Steve Kerr also have 5 rings...
Ray Allen - Maybe could have been a yes. 2x Champion, 10x All-Star and all-time 3pt leader
Chris Webber - ROY and 5x All-Star
Bill Laimbeer - Rebound Champ (had NOTHING else that year), 2x Champion & 4x All-Star
Jermaine O'Neal - Err, NOPE.
Chauncey Billups - Champion, Finals MVP & 5x All-Star
Pau Gasol - ROY, 2x Champion, 4x All-Star
Grant Hill - Same as Vince basically. ROY & 7x All-Star
Stephon Marbury - Pfft! It's like saying Steve Francis will be HOF
(if it matters, Steph was a 2x All-Star - Heck, if if Steph makes it, Vin Baker's a shoe in!!!)
Nobody is arguing J. O'Neal, Marbury and Fisher, so delete those guys from your argument.
You say MAYBE TO RAY RAY??? WOW.
100% IN
VC
Yao (the guy brought a billion extra NBA fans with him, this is exactly the reason the NBA is growing outside of the US)
Ray Allen any day of the week
Pau
Not first ballot but should get in eventually:
Webber
Billups
Hill
50/50 they get in
Mcgrady
Laimbeer
0% chance:
O'Neal and Marbury
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