A 'Hobby' that has lost its way.......

Heafy83

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Good day my fellow collectors. I turned on my computer this morning and ventured on my usual card forums to read of a fellow who had busted a case plus a few loose boxes of this year's National Treasures. Now he was very upset because he didn't get what he thought was very good 'value' for his purchase. He did indeed get the promised case hit and autos and game used per box/case but was unhappy because apart from five or so cards he didn't believe anything was worth more than $20. It got me thinking he is not the only one. Every day I read stories of people who are unhappy because they feel they have been ripped off or scammed because they didn't get the value they sought after and it made me ponder.......... has this hobby lost its way?

Gone are the days in 90s when you used to sit eagerly opening your packs in the hope of a rare 'insert', yes you heard me right...... an insert. Gone are the days when you used to get excited about pulling a Michael Jordan or Shaq base. Gone are the days that the only time you cared about the value of the card is when you were trading cards with little jimmy down the road, only to make sure it was fair and equitable.

Some may say well if I'm forking out $100+ a box or $1700 a case I should get value for my money and this is true to an extent. However prices are only this high because card companies are trying to meet consumer demand. Consumers now demand there must be autos and game used cards galore per box, and are mortified if they don't receive a Kobe, Rose or even MJ card of value; hence card companies now must fork out more money to satisfy these demands to pay players to sign these tiny pieces of cardboard that we so highly seek. Some may say but these companies are ripping us off and making millions in profits, this couldn't be further from the truth. The trading card business is a very small margin one and you only have to go back and look at all those companies who failed and went bankrupt to understand this.

So who's fault is this? Well the card enthusiest has to take some of the responsability, myself included. We have become so spoilt and set our expectations so high, that as I said before, if we don't receive the big hit or something we consider value we kick up a stink and cease purchasing product as a lot have done with the current manufacturer. Hence why in Panini's Gold Standard product there is over 2,000 Kobe Bryant autos and Upper deck have flooded the market with Michael Jordan and Lebron James autos in their latest lines.

The other party at fault I believe is ebay. In the 1990s, and before, you were only able to trade, buy and sell your cards in your local community, or with little timmy down the street or with a few mates in the school yard at lunch time. These days you can still trade with little timmy, but this little timmy lives on the other side of the world in some city in the US, Europe or Asia. This has yes opened us up to a new world and made it easier for us to complete our player PCs and set chases but it has also made us become victims of our own creation. Before if you saw a card you wanted you had to wait until you were able to trade for it with someone in the community, bust it in a pack or box or buy it from an overpriced hobby shop. These days we see a card we want on ebay and within a few clicks and a couple of weeks its in our hands. This has lead to less collecting and more turnover of cards because ultimately there is an infinite amount of cards we desire but only an certain amount of dollars we can spend, before our partners have us for it :D. This is also why we are so upset when we don't get the value we desire in a box/case of cards because if we don't get this value we can't then turf those cards to purchase new ones off 'the bay'.

Also no longer do we use what used to be considered the bible of the hobby, the beckett magazine, for value and prices of cards, we instead use ebay. To me in this current day and age it makes more sense as it is kind of a trading card stock market able to give us to the second prices on our cards based on a true reflection of demand and supply.

The final party I blame is the card manufacturing companies themselves as they are the ones continually pumping out more product, autos and game used cards than ever before. However for this I blame them the least as they are only trying to meet consumer demand and without them we wouldn't have this wonderful hobby.

So what can we summise out of all this? Well basically we have become less collectors and more value seekers within the hobby and at times tried to run it as a business. This is not why the hobby was created and is the main reason I think the hobby has lost its way. One has to think logically that if everyone received a Kobe, MJ or Lebron auto every time they opened a product their value would diminsh and what are we left then........ a piece of cardboard with someone's scribble on it. So next time you bust a box or case of cards and feel aggreived you didn't get the value you were seeking maybe sit back and appreciate what the card is actually all about. Its a chance for us the card/sports enthusiest to get closer to the game and players we admire so and also realise its because of these smaller hits that when we actually get 'the big one' it feels so much better.
 
I think age plays a part. When I was 15, busting open packs was to look for that nice insert or base card or in my case it was Topps Stadium Club First Day Issues, and you don't look for value or ROI, it was just spend your pocket money, or money earnt from a part time job and that was it. Now, as adults, a lot of stuff comes down to what did I get for my money, or money spent against what can be gained from those dollars spent. Having said that, plenty of people are not like this, and I think a lot of those people don't even share live breaks or post on forums. Maybe they've tried and been bombared with "wow what a terrible box" or "you'll never get your money back on that" and then didn't bother to share any more, who knows!

Another thing was demand, when the (basketball) UD Game Jerseys exploded onto the scene of course companies think of a way to add more and more into their future products to either satisfy the customer or make more profits from sales and hype. I've posted it before but check out the old beckett values!

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When we are going on about the authenticity of the game used stuff and the quantity being released would it be better to cut way down on these numbers? I'd say yes. Is it possible and will it happen? I'd say no.

I get what you're saying Heath. I remember saving up my pocket money and money from doing my paper run and going to the newsagent and buying like 50 packs of 94-95 Skybox and some 94-95 Stadium Club and going home and sitting there busting open packs with my brother. I think that was the most fun I've ever had opening packs.
It was also great going to the hobby shop and seeing it full of people buying and trading and selling, I can remember when E-Motion and Flair came out and thinking DAMN those are some expensive packs!!!! :lol: With the internet explosion providing a huge market to easily obtain stuff, we've also seen a decrease in face to face stuff and in that sense the hobby has become less of a social thing. For those of us not near shops and markets anyway!

And I've also seen threads where people go on about how they won't be able to get their money back from the case bust. Probably not something I'd say (I've never bought a case :lol:) but again each to their own reasons for busting packs and boxes and cases but I think if you're only in it for the money you will never get ahead. I was stoked when game used stuff came out but now, give me a nice insert or card of a player I follow any time and I'm happy!
 
Great write up mate. When I first got back into the hobby used to think how good it was being able to buy so many more packs/boxes than the one or two packs I was allowed when I was a kid. Now not so much. The ratio of getting a 'worthwhile' hit to not getting one in a $200 box is probably similar to getting any hit at all in just a couple of packs. Wasn't so costly when you missed out back in the day...
Also little Jimmy AND little Timmy make an appearance? Sounds like you had more friends than me :(
 
Buy a Case of Select AFL. Guaranteed to get your money back i reckon. And still hard to pull an auto. Even harder to find a jersey card. They are rare as a non-chevy badged commodore in the Western Suburbs.
 
I think a lot of the problem is the expectations that the card manufacturers set with ratios although i agree wholeheartedly with what your saying.

I opted out of buying boxes of NRL Strike this year and instead decided to "collect" them on here and ebay. Found the whole experience a hell of a lot more enjoyable and satisfying than busting boxes. Was good to get back the foundations of actually collecting a series of cards.

Nice write up.
 
I will add this to what heath said - investors. These people are my pet peeve in the hobby. They're the ones who are in it for the almighty $ and nothing more. They're the ones who bag out people who only buy the low-end stuff and post their breaks. They're also the people that I told off big time over at beckett a few years back before beckett went into the beta format. Needless to say, there's none of them over at beckett now- if there is, they've kept their mouth's shut.

Me personally, I don't give a damn about value in a box break because my first priority as a collector is sets and pc's (these days with the advent of sp's and inserted rookies it's more like base sets, but still...). Actually, If I get a rare/high dollar insert, I will keep it. If I wind up with multiple AU's/GU's of a player in the same team uniform, I will trade the one I like the least or that doesn't have any sentimental value for me. It's only then that value comes into play. That, and also determining wether a product/set goes into a collector box or a clear case.
 
Nice 'blog'... however the card companies need to shoulder more blame. Why so many releases? And in such close proximity? Gold Standard became National Treasures just like that, and then there's this Black Box thing coming out as well. I've never been much of a box/pack breaker but I think it sucks that because of how plentiful things are thesedays, things that used to be special (and were actually pretty rare) are now so worthless.
Game Jersey cards, even in the early 00s, are just not held in high regard anymore. Serial numbering? Wayyyyyy overdone nowdays and people are getting sick of it. Logomans have even lost a bit glamour since they're now being pumped out with 5-18 copies...

What's hot in the hobby? The 'new' craze (whichever product is newly-released, for about 10 seconds until the next one) and 90s inserts - when things were actually RARE and REALLY WELL DESIGNED.
 
I think the biggest problem is not ebay or even the "investors" out there it is simply us. No matter what cards we get from our box or case breaks we will want something better, that is just human nature.

Take my case of NT, would have I liked a logoman, of course I would. However I know that a logoman should be considered a bonus not a given. That's how game used and autos were once and the card manfucturers gave use what we wanted. We asked for it so now we shouldn't complain when we get it, but the value is no longer there.

Oh and you forgot about little Johnny and Little Tommy
 
I wonder if he is going to send back his case if he pulls 2 logomans, where he gets 2 case hits.
 
Nice 'blog'... however the card companies need to shoulder more blame. Why so many releases? And in such close proximity? Gold Standard became National Treasures just like that, and then there's this Black Box thing coming out as well. I've never been much of a box/pack breaker but I think it sucks that because of how plentiful things are thesedays, things that used to be special (and were actually pretty rare) are now so worthless.
Game Jersey cards, even in the early 00s, are just not held in high regard anymore. Serial numbering? Wayyyyyy overdone nowdays and people are getting sick of it. Logomans have even lost a bit glamour since they're now being pumped out with 5-18 copies...

What's hot in the hobby? The 'new' craze (whichever product is newly-released, for about 10 seconds until the next one) and 90s inserts - when things were actually RARE and REALLY WELL DESIGNED.

It's true that the quantity of cards out weighs the quality of releases but at the end of the day a company like Panini is just that, a company. In the end you don't run a business to lose money, you run it to make money, regardless of your other intentions when starting it one of those intentions was always to make a profit/living.

The way I see it, at the end of the day if someone doesn't like what a company is producing, they can do one of two things;
- Stop buying their products, or
- Do it themselves.

I don't like most of Panini's releases and I will complain a little bit and not buy the things I don't like, reducing (a tiny tiny tiny amount) the income they make from me but quite frankly, I can't be ****ed making my own so it's take it or leave it. At the end of the day I think others should probably be making the same determination.
 
To me busting a box is akin to Christmas.
The excitement grabs you as you peel the plastic off the box and carries on through each pack.
Why ... because unknown delights are contained within.
Box busters will always be so .. I for one have never gotten into it, why, frankly I have never been one of the lucky few.
Could go to the card shop with my mate and get a mediocre pack then watch him pull MJ, Shaq cards virtually everytime .. luck of the draw.

Great write up Heath and a true representation of what this hobby has become.
 
Indeed, I forgot to mention that I completely agree with your post Heath. It is one of the more insightful things I have read in recent times. :)
 
I must be a left-field specialist here.

What's stopping the collective society of Ozcardtrader members in creating and customising our own cards (putting aside all NBA licencing issues). I know we have a couple of good graphic designers, a couple of good autograph chasers and best part of it is that everyone here is definitely passionate in collecting our favourite players and teams. All of us could own a 1/1 or logoman of which we could only dream to own. Why are we paying $100's of thousand of dollars to a card manufacturer who only half understand the needs of the hobby. Or am I just dreaming??

Why not put your future into your own hands instead of letting somebody (Panini) else do that for you.
 
I also blame the NBA itself in some ways. Exclusive licensing is BAD for the hobby. When you only have one choice for licensed NBA cards... it takes away some of the choice, it means you might just have to settle for a product design that just does not quite do it for you. Sometimes just having a nice design can quell some of the stomach rumblings from bad hits... but if the base set isn't even worth collecting... so yeah I blame the NBA for allowing panini a monopoly. I miss good old Topps and Upper Deck.
 
Good sentiments Heath.

Personally I hate hearing 'I didn't make my money back' or 'What a terrible box'.

I am a set collector, I love nothing more than completing a long hard set chase, although I feel I bite off more than I can chew sometimes.LOL. So when I break a box, I consider it a huge win if I need all of the cards for my set chases. I busted a box of classics the other day, and pulled a Bill Russell on card auto. Pretty cool I know, but I would have actually preferred to pull one of the autos I need for my set chase that I am finding it hard to buy as a single.

But if I ONLY wanted value for money, I wouldn't buy boxes at all... simple as that. If you want your money back, don't spend it, then I guarantee you will break even.

When you go skydiving, you pay for the experience. The same with breaking boxes, you are paying for the thrill of busting something nice! Well.... I know I am!
 
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