What makes BGS think they can actually do it??
BGS are known for passing fake autos, being piss poor graders of vintage and older cards already.
And to top it off the fakes are actually be re produced with the original printing plates making it almost impossible to spot the fake cards from the original cards.
I trust some of the other companies to grade them but based on track records BGS have no idea unless its a modern card and they are only grading condition. Thats pretty much fact in the hobby.
What makes BGS think they can actually do it??
BGS are known for passing fake autos, being piss poor graders of vintage and older cards already.
And to top it off the fakes are actually be re produced with the original printing plates making it almost impossible to spot the fake cards from the original cards.
I trust some of the other companies to grade them but based on track records BGS have no idea unless its a modern card and they are only grading condition. Thats pretty much fact in the hobby.
Its not going to be about fakes being rejected, its going to be about the reprints ending up as the genuine article. What Chad says is 100% correct - they were reprinted using the original plates so they are going to look exactly the same and impossible to differentiate between the reprints and the originals. How does BGS suppose they are going to tell the difference - carbon dating ??
BGS will be working hand-in-hand with Star Co. basketball card expert Steve Taft to authenticate, grade, and slab the collection before its release. Graded cards will carry a label designating it as part of The Schonco Sports Collection inventory.
Steve knows his stuff but is he going to look at every star card that goes thru the place. And even then its pretty bloody hard to tell the diff even for an expert. A lot of it will be guesstimating not verifying.
I agree with Doc, get the inks tested LOL
But it doesn't say Steve will be looking at every single piece
Says nothing about him actually doing any of the cards into the future.
Oh well, good luck to them.
It's pretty easy, you don't need much kit to be able to tell if there is a significant difference in the chemistry of the inks used between the real deal and any fakes printed at a later date. Even if they used the real plates, it is unlikely they would have used exactly the same inks. There are a number of techniques used in examining heritage art which could equally apply to collectible cards.
Don't they normally have to take a small chip of paint to to that type of examination though? Or is there some way to chemically analyse the ink on the card?
No, there are plenty of non-destructive techniques, you can image whole paintings and see differences in the paints between originals and copies. Unless the inks used are essentially identical, they will have some characteristic spectroscopic signature, like a fingerprint, that can be used to distinguish them. If the original plates were used to make the fakes, then their only options to legitimately and accurately tell them apart will be by differences in the card stock or the inks.
Sounds good, but if they are going to go those lengths it likely to cost a fortunesomehow i don't see that being part of the BGS service.
Any idea how GAI does it?
Eenie, meanie, minnie, moe?
PSA did not stop grading Star to be “honorableâ€. They simply did not have the expertise to grade them, and chose to no longer deal with them after they graded some of the counterfeits.
Allow me to clarify the real story on Star, as many people have fallen prey to the myth that “everything Star was reprinted and it all looks the same.â€
The only standard Star cards reprinted from the original plates were the 1985-86 second series (#’s 95-172). All other counterfeits have simple ways to clearly distinguish them. There were also several sets created by Star in the 1990′s that they backdated to appear old, but they are really fantasy issues, not counterfeits, since there was no original set in the first place (and BGS does not grade those). As far as the 1985-86 #’s 95-172, there are differences in the printing quality, card stock, and cutting techniques used on these, making it apparent whether a card was from the original printing or a later printing. Frankly, the only thing you need is knowledge, and we contracted with the foremost authority on Star basketball for training and ongoing verification.
Mark Anderson, Director
Beckett Grading Services
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