BEWARE => "good_old_bball" !!! HE CHEATED ME !!
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Very sorry to hear of your troubles Bolli, that is an epic card and will be right at home in your MJ 90s PC.
While I am assuming, it sounds like Steve has totally overstretched himself with $$$ and tried to buy himself some time to pay G and get the card back to then send on to Bolli but has struggled to raise the cash in the meantime. Communication is the key, Stevo, you are a good guy with many great deals under your belt but it's time to come clean mate and communicate in this thread or to speak with G and Bolli privately ASAP to sort this out.
I feel for you Bolli, you are a long way away and feel a little helpless, let's hope Steve steps up to sort this out before it tarnishes his name forever.
Hope it ends well for you Bolli - at least you know where the card is.......best result is for Steve to clear his debt with G and for G to post off the card to Bolli and all is right again.
While I am assuming, it sounds like Steve has totally overstretched himself with $$$ and tried to buy himself some time to pay G and get the card back to then send on to Bolli but has struggled to raise the cash in the meantime. Communication is the key, Stevo, you are a good guy with many great deals under your belt but it's time to come clean mate and communicate in this thread or to speak with G and Bolli privately ASAP to sort this out.
I feel for you Bolli, you are a long way away and feel a little helpless, let's hope Steve steps up to sort this out before it tarnishes his name forever.
Hope it ends well for you Bolli - at least you know where the card is.......best result is for Steve to clear his debt with G and for G to post off the card to Bolli and all is right again.
@Kecipir: do you have his telefon number?
@bjs127: I still hope that I´ll get my money and my two Jordan cards that I have sent to him back. But my hopes become day for day fewer
@all: is here someone who knows him personally? Anyone who has his telephone number?
---------- Post added 12-08-2011 at 04:34 AM ----------
Here are some of his famous Emails...
4.) lol lol lol, hey brother. yes i loved your long messages, very nice to read as always lol lol .
Ok brother i'll get u some scans later on today for the card, so u can see it clearly. its numbered 21/23 though just to confirm. on the back it is number OV-MJ, which is from the UD Ovation set.
One thing i want to ask u if i want to confirm this deal and meeting in the middle. You always hear from ebay they say "do not use westerUnion or MoneyUninion money transfers" , and so i want to ask you if you will send me the money this way. If yes, then we have a deal . and you know u can totally trust me, i am seriously like your brother, and if you cant trust your brother, who can you trust??
let me know mohamed. thanks bro
STEVE
5.) oh my god, you see what u done bro?? I had ur pm message tab open and was about to reply a message, I have been editing my thread in the other tab lol lol.
Ok bro. if u want to help me with paypal fees, thats cool $25, but how about possibly they will take a total 10% i wouldnt be surprised. If you prefer paypal then thats cool.
The condition of the case is like brand nw mohammed. it shines like diamond lol lol. i did take a couple of scans, I thought they were meant to be high resolution, but my scanner is VERY BAD when I scan Beckett Graded cards. If I scan PSA, they come out "not bad". but the thick beckett glass/plastic case i think stops light from touching the card to scan it in full. i took one normal and one with a lighter setting, sorry the quality isnt "the best" lol lol. if you click on the picture it will take you to the larger scale.
Michael Jordan UD Game Jersey Autographs (1998-99 Upper Deck) #ed21/23
Michael Jordan UD Game Jersey Autographs (1998-99 Upper Deck) #ed21/23
Also when i come to ship it. I will do it with express courier mail. I pay this from my pocket, its $50. but it comes 4-5 days and has full online tracking.
Ok mohammed let me know, and i should be online for a little bit as i have some other pms I need to reply too. regards. STEVE
6.) all good bro. Ok this is actually pretty exciting , this is probably my biggest private deal I make with someone on forums. The highest forum deal I made was just over $1,500 total though.
Ok mr mohammed, my hand is in front of you and I would like your hand shake to validate a trade then . you will be very very pleased I assure you that, and i know the MJ Chrono Gold is going to be awesome too . maybe I trade you back in the future and give you money on top and you give me back the jordan 98 auto jersey . all good bro .
Ok this deal. I dont really want to make it too public and post as a transaction. i dont want people looking at our deal thread and give us an evil eye or something lol lol. Some people can be nosey and I like to keep my business about money I make private when its a high deal like this. we can make one after though and feedback each other, and will just write "MJ Auto for Paypal". but anyway. Ok yes all good with the payment plan like we already spoke. with your first payment mohammed, can you send it in 2 payments?? So dont send one full payment (if your sending this amount like you said) of $1,225 now. So send it as $612.50 and then another of $612.50 please. I will let you know how much the fees are, you will be surprised lol lol.
Also i know u said the next payment on 8 June, thats not too far anyway, and so just a few weeks. the sooner its done bro, I will send it out for u express (if not the same day), it will be the next day . so if u want to also just let me know ur postal address so i can save for quick refernce please.
for paypal, it is:
shirleyboy@live.com
ok mr mohammed let me know how u go, i still have a few messages im replying to, so hopefully im up for a little bit more to reply to u straight away, cos here its now 2.00am and i need to go to bed very soon lol. regards, your brother STEVE
@bjs127: I still hope that I´ll get my money and my two Jordan cards that I have sent to him back. But my hopes become day for day fewer
@all: is here someone who knows him personally? Anyone who has his telephone number?
---------- Post added 12-08-2011 at 04:34 AM ----------
Here are some of his famous Emails...
4.) lol lol lol, hey brother. yes i loved your long messages, very nice to read as always lol lol .
Ok brother i'll get u some scans later on today for the card, so u can see it clearly. its numbered 21/23 though just to confirm. on the back it is number OV-MJ, which is from the UD Ovation set.
One thing i want to ask u if i want to confirm this deal and meeting in the middle. You always hear from ebay they say "do not use westerUnion or MoneyUninion money transfers" , and so i want to ask you if you will send me the money this way. If yes, then we have a deal . and you know u can totally trust me, i am seriously like your brother, and if you cant trust your brother, who can you trust??
let me know mohamed. thanks bro
STEVE
5.) oh my god, you see what u done bro?? I had ur pm message tab open and was about to reply a message, I have been editing my thread in the other tab lol lol.
Ok bro. if u want to help me with paypal fees, thats cool $25, but how about possibly they will take a total 10% i wouldnt be surprised. If you prefer paypal then thats cool.
The condition of the case is like brand nw mohammed. it shines like diamond lol lol. i did take a couple of scans, I thought they were meant to be high resolution, but my scanner is VERY BAD when I scan Beckett Graded cards. If I scan PSA, they come out "not bad". but the thick beckett glass/plastic case i think stops light from touching the card to scan it in full. i took one normal and one with a lighter setting, sorry the quality isnt "the best" lol lol. if you click on the picture it will take you to the larger scale.
Michael Jordan UD Game Jersey Autographs (1998-99 Upper Deck) #ed21/23
Michael Jordan UD Game Jersey Autographs (1998-99 Upper Deck) #ed21/23
Also when i come to ship it. I will do it with express courier mail. I pay this from my pocket, its $50. but it comes 4-5 days and has full online tracking.
Ok mohammed let me know, and i should be online for a little bit as i have some other pms I need to reply too. regards. STEVE
6.) all good bro. Ok this is actually pretty exciting , this is probably my biggest private deal I make with someone on forums. The highest forum deal I made was just over $1,500 total though.
Ok mr mohammed, my hand is in front of you and I would like your hand shake to validate a trade then . you will be very very pleased I assure you that, and i know the MJ Chrono Gold is going to be awesome too . maybe I trade you back in the future and give you money on top and you give me back the jordan 98 auto jersey . all good bro .
Ok this deal. I dont really want to make it too public and post as a transaction. i dont want people looking at our deal thread and give us an evil eye or something lol lol. Some people can be nosey and I like to keep my business about money I make private when its a high deal like this. we can make one after though and feedback each other, and will just write "MJ Auto for Paypal". but anyway. Ok yes all good with the payment plan like we already spoke. with your first payment mohammed, can you send it in 2 payments?? So dont send one full payment (if your sending this amount like you said) of $1,225 now. So send it as $612.50 and then another of $612.50 please. I will let you know how much the fees are, you will be surprised lol lol.
Also i know u said the next payment on 8 June, thats not too far anyway, and so just a few weeks. the sooner its done bro, I will send it out for u express (if not the same day), it will be the next day . so if u want to also just let me know ur postal address so i can save for quick refernce please.
for paypal, it is:
shirleyboy@live.com
ok mr mohammed let me know how u go, i still have a few messages im replying to, so hopefully im up for a little bit more to reply to u straight away, cos here its now 2.00am and i need to go to bed very soon lol. regards, your brother STEVE
A_Iverson_I
OzCardTrader
Wow....... just got done through reading this entire thread!! As good a guy as Steve is, the part where he knowingly made a deal for a card he didn't have in hand and was held up with someone else is just a bad move and he should have never of done something like that.
Hope Steve gets on here and has his input TBH.
Hope Steve gets on here and has his input TBH.
Here are mores...
7.) lol all good once again brother, all i can say is you have one super super sexy card coming your way, the gold 9.5 gem mint makes it look extra special .
thanks for the promtp payment bro, I have received it .I checked the fees for them, it is just over $42 total for both, so after you send the rest of the money in June, the total wouldve been nearly $90 in fees . but thats ok if u want to send me the hakeem exquisite emblems or the pippen exquisite auto you can do that and i'll accept it lol .
with your card, plz brother no disrespect but if i can send it after all payments complete . its just healthy to finalise the deal first, if with ur brother, friend, relative, or neighbour . but i will send express courier like i said, this cost $50 I saw it today when i was at the pos office.
with my address for you, brother send it here plz:
Steven Stabilo
Unit 1/1 Regis Close
Werribee VIC 3030
AUSTRALIA
also dont write the high price on customs. make it like $100 or something plz. I will make the paper for you aswell, dont worry leave it with me, it will be a nice one .
gotta let you go now brother as i need to get some sleep for tomorrow lol, but will speak to u again soon im sure to confirm shipping on ur end and any other info . regards, your brother from australia, STEVE
ps. I nearly forgot to show u this. again just to keep it healthy, I know you believe (Click on the pic to enlarge).
8.) lol lol, hey brother
so sorry about the late msg. i have been EXTREMELY busy these last 1-2 weeks. sorry bro. i have some news for you aswell. Today i received ur package. DAMN SUPER NICE card!!! . thanks so so much. That means our deal is 50% complete right now (even 75% complete). I bought your Express Courier International package to send your card, and I have it ready to be shipped out
as soon as i receive the remaining paypal, I will send it out for you. and I see you sent some msgs first saying u will pay now but then saying you will pay on the first announced June date. bro thats cool, whenever you pay is ok with me. Just know when u pay, i will ship out asap for you .
thanks bro, and will cut it here cos i have some other pm mesages I need to reply to and i dont have too much time
cheers. STEVE
ps. thanks als for the bonus MJ Total O insert you included, cheers .
9.) mr bolli
how u doing bro?? sorry about the small delay there, have had another very busy couple of days.
i have some bad news for you though . you will not be able to kill everyone this friday at the local card show that you have there. because I have not being able to ship it out for you yet. because I have to go directly into the post office to show Identification and sign the customs papers, they close at 5.00pm and I finish work everyday at 6.00pm .
if we werent so busy these last 2-3 weeks at work, i wouldve had time to make it and ship out. but because we have been very busy it has limited my time to go into the post office significantly. so i probably will not be able to send it out for you until this saturday (Australia time, which will be Friday Europe time). sorry mohamed, i really feel like i have disappointed you a little bit, but i swear brother you have to understand my busy work schedule lately has been very high! When you will get the card, it will make up for EVERYTHING and the delay lol lol. You maybe will even cream your underpants . thats how beautiful this card is!
a couple other things. I remember you said to me that some of the other /10 Gold Timeless Memories MJ cards have AWEFUL signatures. yes you are right, because I saw one on ebay with BIN for $600. the signature was DISGUSTING!!! it was like a 2 year old baby tried to sign the card . But, i have a question. i understand the auto was awful and this DOES take away a lot from the price, but $600 BIN seemed a bit cheap. Plz confirm for me and make me sleep in peace that the card you gave me is SV$2,000+
and with your Centruy Marks autos. I really would love maybe the Reggie miller or alonzo mourning for the PC collection, but i swear brother I am not too big a fan of the autographics autos. IF i was to grab one of these, what kind of deal can you do me for each one Mohammed?? let me know.
Thanks my friend, I know you enjoy reading my long PM's so this time I will not apologize for writing this long message lol lol. Take care brother and ofcourse I will keep you updated from this end with your shipping (it will be sent Express International Courier aswell, so it will not take long, and has online internet tracking too ).
regads. STEVE
10.) 12.06.2011... mr bollllllliiiiiiiiiiii!!!!
hows it going brother? I swear to god, I have not forgotten you, wallah (that means i swear to god in islam yes?).
All the mail I send is prepaid packages and stamps. So i do NOT need to go into the post office. I just get the package ready at hhome, put a stamp, and then put the envelope in the mailing bins in the street. Because i have been working long hours and cant make it into the post office to fill in customs forms, show Identification, and hand over ur package, it has been very hard for me.
Last month one member I sent something express (like your card), and he had to wait 3 weeks for me to do it. But he did understand why. I gave him a nice bonus card for free to say sorry aswell. And i will do this with you too to say sorry for the delay .
When you get the card, it will make up for ALL the delay, and you will be extremely happy.
If i cannot persoanlly get time to make it in the post office this coming week, then I will simply give it to my brother and I will get him to send the card for you. It is also already pacled up and ready. The express post number on your package is:
EA015276452AU
all I have to do is activate it now and ship it in the post office. So this is to show you that it is all ready to go.
Also brother I havent logged into ozcards for a couple of reasons. Firstly, i dont have much time. In the last 7 days, i came on this site BTC 2 times only. And so i havent had time to get onto all the forums i want to go to (ozcards, hobbykings, dascardboard, etc etc). Another reason i havent logged in ozcards is because i have about 70 new pm messages I need to open and reply to. And I wantt to do them all together. I dont want to go in and reply to some, because i dont want other people to think im ignoring them and get upset. Because i dont like to make anyone upset.
So dont worry brother mohammed, you are in the safest hands and trader in me. And you will not be disappointed.i am like your brother, and you can trust your brother when i say i am busy or cant do something, but it will be done soon .
Also bro thnks for explaining in your ozcards message that the mj chrono gold is worth $2000+, appreciated. Theres one thing though i saw about 7 days ago it made me a little bit nervous and worried. There was a kobe bryant (between the legs dunk comp) like the Mj you sent me, it was the gold version aswell, and it was jersey numbered 10. It was on ebay BIN for $699. I was 99% about to buy it, but then I decided not to buy it (i already have the regular /99 version aswell, and i thought the gold version would be awesome addition). So i didnt buy it, then about 4 hours later somebody else bought it. My question is, kobe bryant chrono gold 10 is very similar calibre as michael jordan. But it sold only $700. Plz plz again make me feel easy and tell me the Michael jordan one is worth over $2000. Because i was a little bit disappointed, but i thought "my brother mohammed will tell me the truth about the MJ version). But $700 for kobe gold, come on brother do you know what I mean why I was a bit worried?? Please assure me again that the michael jordan gold is worth a lot more than kobe gold 10, because i just want to feel like i did make this deal and still be happy for both of us.
I am still sending you the mJ, so dont think Im backing out because I saw first the bad auto MJ gold(u remember the one i told you i saw on ebay for $600 yes??), and now I see the kobe gold sell for $700. I just dont want to feel short-changed, cos yes my Mj is numbered to /23 plus there are 6-7 different versions, but still it is one of the most wanted MJ cards ever made (maybe the 2nd best card after the original 97-98 version). So maybe im just being paranoid or maybe im justthinking about it too much when really theres nothing wrong, butits always better to ask and be safe than sorry.
Thanks mohammed, sorry about the delay bro, ur card will ship out soon like i promised, and sorry about the long message. Hopefully u will see that i just want to get a good return. I know u would not do this, but in the past sometimes people tell em a card is worth a lot only so they can make a trade but then really if one day i try to sell it then i do not get what the other person told me and i feel like i got ripped off. This is not about you, i say this about other people who have made deals with me.
Ok bro, speak to you soon. Regards. STEVE
11.) 27.06.2011 till now... Yessssssss!! Finally I speak with you my brother!
You have upset me a little bit (only a little tint tiny bit, because I can understand why you would be a bit upset I will give you an exception).
Bro I'm using my new iPhone so it's. Little bit annoying doe me using these small buttons, it's a god thing there is "word Autocomplete", so many mistakes automatically get fixed.
Now Mohamed let me tell you one thing. There is maybe 4-5 people I know in our hobby which I keep VERY close to my heart. You ARE one of them special people! If you tell me you need my a medical transplant and you need a heart to survive, I will give you my heart and keep you alive as long as god allows.
I just want to show you brother, there is NOTHING you should be worried about. I am so so so happy I just checked my email and I saw you sent me an email. Because I have had nearly ZERO time on all the basketball forums. On OzCardTrader, I probably have NEARLY 100 new messages I need to open! And I have more unread in BTC and HK forums.
I've thought about looking for your email address so I can speak to you, but wallahi brother Mohamed I hadn't had much time to do anything besides work and family. And I have 200% NOT forgotten about you. My dad went overseas to Lebanon (near Israel), my ex-wife and I are having a new baby, my nephew died in a car accident about 2 weeks ago, my boss at work is on overseas holidays and I have been given full Manager position (so I am in charge of nearly 20 workers in the meantime, AND I also nearly had a SECOND stroke in the last 18 months! So I have has A LOT of good and bad things happening in my life in the last 2-3 months.
I have some other pending deals on BTC forum, and I only was able to ship them out about 5 days ago. This is only because I was able to buy some stamps and send them manually. Your package is different because I have to physically go into the Post Office and fill in customs forms and do some other stuff in order to be able to ship your card. I was going to give the card to my brother and ask him to ship it for me, but brother his son died recently and so he has been in very poor state, and is still grieving. That is why I could not in the end use him to help me ship your card ASAP.
I totally understand you could be upset and frustrated why I haven't replied or given you an update. And I have no excuse. But just know one thing mohamed, you are in the SAFEST HANDS ever and you have absolutely nothing to fear or worry about. I am a man of my word, and even though there has been this delay to ship your SICK card, in the end you WILL get this card. AND I will make sure I add an extra card with the MJ UD Game Jersey Auto, and you will be very vert very happy in the end!
Just have trust in me like you have already shown me, and I can't thank you enough for being ever so patient, it speaks high volumes of your trust and belief in me, thank you.
I will cut it short here brother, but just know I have not and WILL NOT forget about you, and you are on top of my priority list. Please though brother, you need to give me a small extension so I can either wait for my boss to return from USA and then I can get some spare time, or I will see if I can give your card to a relative and I'll ask them to ship for you on my behalf (honestly I would prefer to do it myself personally though, BUT I will see what happens). The Post Office here opens from 9am-5pm, but my work hours lately have been 8.30am-6.30pm, that's why its been extremely difficult for me to have it done.
Now I have your email address, I can at least reply to you promptly and answer any questions or emails you decide to send me.
I already know you fully trust me, and I assure you our trust and friendship will only get stronger and you will see that I have many friends because they also know they can have full trust in me, just like you show me. You are NOT my customer, you are my friend!
Ok Chef Bolli, take care for now and speak to u again soon my friend. Regards, STEVE ;-)
7.) lol all good once again brother, all i can say is you have one super super sexy card coming your way, the gold 9.5 gem mint makes it look extra special .
thanks for the promtp payment bro, I have received it .I checked the fees for them, it is just over $42 total for both, so after you send the rest of the money in June, the total wouldve been nearly $90 in fees . but thats ok if u want to send me the hakeem exquisite emblems or the pippen exquisite auto you can do that and i'll accept it lol .
with your card, plz brother no disrespect but if i can send it after all payments complete . its just healthy to finalise the deal first, if with ur brother, friend, relative, or neighbour . but i will send express courier like i said, this cost $50 I saw it today when i was at the pos office.
with my address for you, brother send it here plz:
Steven Stabilo
Unit 1/1 Regis Close
Werribee VIC 3030
AUSTRALIA
also dont write the high price on customs. make it like $100 or something plz. I will make the paper for you aswell, dont worry leave it with me, it will be a nice one .
gotta let you go now brother as i need to get some sleep for tomorrow lol, but will speak to u again soon im sure to confirm shipping on ur end and any other info . regards, your brother from australia, STEVE
ps. I nearly forgot to show u this. again just to keep it healthy, I know you believe (Click on the pic to enlarge).
8.) lol lol, hey brother
so sorry about the late msg. i have been EXTREMELY busy these last 1-2 weeks. sorry bro. i have some news for you aswell. Today i received ur package. DAMN SUPER NICE card!!! . thanks so so much. That means our deal is 50% complete right now (even 75% complete). I bought your Express Courier International package to send your card, and I have it ready to be shipped out
as soon as i receive the remaining paypal, I will send it out for you. and I see you sent some msgs first saying u will pay now but then saying you will pay on the first announced June date. bro thats cool, whenever you pay is ok with me. Just know when u pay, i will ship out asap for you .
thanks bro, and will cut it here cos i have some other pm mesages I need to reply to and i dont have too much time
cheers. STEVE
ps. thanks als for the bonus MJ Total O insert you included, cheers .
9.) mr bolli
how u doing bro?? sorry about the small delay there, have had another very busy couple of days.
i have some bad news for you though . you will not be able to kill everyone this friday at the local card show that you have there. because I have not being able to ship it out for you yet. because I have to go directly into the post office to show Identification and sign the customs papers, they close at 5.00pm and I finish work everyday at 6.00pm .
if we werent so busy these last 2-3 weeks at work, i wouldve had time to make it and ship out. but because we have been very busy it has limited my time to go into the post office significantly. so i probably will not be able to send it out for you until this saturday (Australia time, which will be Friday Europe time). sorry mohamed, i really feel like i have disappointed you a little bit, but i swear brother you have to understand my busy work schedule lately has been very high! When you will get the card, it will make up for EVERYTHING and the delay lol lol. You maybe will even cream your underpants . thats how beautiful this card is!
a couple other things. I remember you said to me that some of the other /10 Gold Timeless Memories MJ cards have AWEFUL signatures. yes you are right, because I saw one on ebay with BIN for $600. the signature was DISGUSTING!!! it was like a 2 year old baby tried to sign the card . But, i have a question. i understand the auto was awful and this DOES take away a lot from the price, but $600 BIN seemed a bit cheap. Plz confirm for me and make me sleep in peace that the card you gave me is SV$2,000+
and with your Centruy Marks autos. I really would love maybe the Reggie miller or alonzo mourning for the PC collection, but i swear brother I am not too big a fan of the autographics autos. IF i was to grab one of these, what kind of deal can you do me for each one Mohammed?? let me know.
Thanks my friend, I know you enjoy reading my long PM's so this time I will not apologize for writing this long message lol lol. Take care brother and ofcourse I will keep you updated from this end with your shipping (it will be sent Express International Courier aswell, so it will not take long, and has online internet tracking too ).
regads. STEVE
10.) 12.06.2011... mr bollllllliiiiiiiiiiii!!!!
hows it going brother? I swear to god, I have not forgotten you, wallah (that means i swear to god in islam yes?).
All the mail I send is prepaid packages and stamps. So i do NOT need to go into the post office. I just get the package ready at hhome, put a stamp, and then put the envelope in the mailing bins in the street. Because i have been working long hours and cant make it into the post office to fill in customs forms, show Identification, and hand over ur package, it has been very hard for me.
Last month one member I sent something express (like your card), and he had to wait 3 weeks for me to do it. But he did understand why. I gave him a nice bonus card for free to say sorry aswell. And i will do this with you too to say sorry for the delay .
When you get the card, it will make up for ALL the delay, and you will be extremely happy.
If i cannot persoanlly get time to make it in the post office this coming week, then I will simply give it to my brother and I will get him to send the card for you. It is also already pacled up and ready. The express post number on your package is:
EA015276452AU
all I have to do is activate it now and ship it in the post office. So this is to show you that it is all ready to go.
Also brother I havent logged into ozcards for a couple of reasons. Firstly, i dont have much time. In the last 7 days, i came on this site BTC 2 times only. And so i havent had time to get onto all the forums i want to go to (ozcards, hobbykings, dascardboard, etc etc). Another reason i havent logged in ozcards is because i have about 70 new pm messages I need to open and reply to. And I wantt to do them all together. I dont want to go in and reply to some, because i dont want other people to think im ignoring them and get upset. Because i dont like to make anyone upset.
So dont worry brother mohammed, you are in the safest hands and trader in me. And you will not be disappointed.i am like your brother, and you can trust your brother when i say i am busy or cant do something, but it will be done soon .
Also bro thnks for explaining in your ozcards message that the mj chrono gold is worth $2000+, appreciated. Theres one thing though i saw about 7 days ago it made me a little bit nervous and worried. There was a kobe bryant (between the legs dunk comp) like the Mj you sent me, it was the gold version aswell, and it was jersey numbered 10. It was on ebay BIN for $699. I was 99% about to buy it, but then I decided not to buy it (i already have the regular /99 version aswell, and i thought the gold version would be awesome addition). So i didnt buy it, then about 4 hours later somebody else bought it. My question is, kobe bryant chrono gold 10 is very similar calibre as michael jordan. But it sold only $700. Plz plz again make me feel easy and tell me the Michael jordan one is worth over $2000. Because i was a little bit disappointed, but i thought "my brother mohammed will tell me the truth about the MJ version). But $700 for kobe gold, come on brother do you know what I mean why I was a bit worried?? Please assure me again that the michael jordan gold is worth a lot more than kobe gold 10, because i just want to feel like i did make this deal and still be happy for both of us.
I am still sending you the mJ, so dont think Im backing out because I saw first the bad auto MJ gold(u remember the one i told you i saw on ebay for $600 yes??), and now I see the kobe gold sell for $700. I just dont want to feel short-changed, cos yes my Mj is numbered to /23 plus there are 6-7 different versions, but still it is one of the most wanted MJ cards ever made (maybe the 2nd best card after the original 97-98 version). So maybe im just being paranoid or maybe im justthinking about it too much when really theres nothing wrong, butits always better to ask and be safe than sorry.
Thanks mohammed, sorry about the delay bro, ur card will ship out soon like i promised, and sorry about the long message. Hopefully u will see that i just want to get a good return. I know u would not do this, but in the past sometimes people tell em a card is worth a lot only so they can make a trade but then really if one day i try to sell it then i do not get what the other person told me and i feel like i got ripped off. This is not about you, i say this about other people who have made deals with me.
Ok bro, speak to you soon. Regards. STEVE
11.) 27.06.2011 till now... Yessssssss!! Finally I speak with you my brother!
You have upset me a little bit (only a little tint tiny bit, because I can understand why you would be a bit upset I will give you an exception).
Bro I'm using my new iPhone so it's. Little bit annoying doe me using these small buttons, it's a god thing there is "word Autocomplete", so many mistakes automatically get fixed.
Now Mohamed let me tell you one thing. There is maybe 4-5 people I know in our hobby which I keep VERY close to my heart. You ARE one of them special people! If you tell me you need my a medical transplant and you need a heart to survive, I will give you my heart and keep you alive as long as god allows.
I just want to show you brother, there is NOTHING you should be worried about. I am so so so happy I just checked my email and I saw you sent me an email. Because I have had nearly ZERO time on all the basketball forums. On OzCardTrader, I probably have NEARLY 100 new messages I need to open! And I have more unread in BTC and HK forums.
I've thought about looking for your email address so I can speak to you, but wallahi brother Mohamed I hadn't had much time to do anything besides work and family. And I have 200% NOT forgotten about you. My dad went overseas to Lebanon (near Israel), my ex-wife and I are having a new baby, my nephew died in a car accident about 2 weeks ago, my boss at work is on overseas holidays and I have been given full Manager position (so I am in charge of nearly 20 workers in the meantime, AND I also nearly had a SECOND stroke in the last 18 months! So I have has A LOT of good and bad things happening in my life in the last 2-3 months.
I have some other pending deals on BTC forum, and I only was able to ship them out about 5 days ago. This is only because I was able to buy some stamps and send them manually. Your package is different because I have to physically go into the Post Office and fill in customs forms and do some other stuff in order to be able to ship your card. I was going to give the card to my brother and ask him to ship it for me, but brother his son died recently and so he has been in very poor state, and is still grieving. That is why I could not in the end use him to help me ship your card ASAP.
I totally understand you could be upset and frustrated why I haven't replied or given you an update. And I have no excuse. But just know one thing mohamed, you are in the SAFEST HANDS ever and you have absolutely nothing to fear or worry about. I am a man of my word, and even though there has been this delay to ship your SICK card, in the end you WILL get this card. AND I will make sure I add an extra card with the MJ UD Game Jersey Auto, and you will be very vert very happy in the end!
Just have trust in me like you have already shown me, and I can't thank you enough for being ever so patient, it speaks high volumes of your trust and belief in me, thank you.
I will cut it short here brother, but just know I have not and WILL NOT forget about you, and you are on top of my priority list. Please though brother, you need to give me a small extension so I can either wait for my boss to return from USA and then I can get some spare time, or I will see if I can give your card to a relative and I'll ask them to ship for you on my behalf (honestly I would prefer to do it myself personally though, BUT I will see what happens). The Post Office here opens from 9am-5pm, but my work hours lately have been 8.30am-6.30pm, that's why its been extremely difficult for me to have it done.
Now I have your email address, I can at least reply to you promptly and answer any questions or emails you decide to send me.
I already know you fully trust me, and I assure you our trust and friendship will only get stronger and you will see that I have many friends because they also know they can have full trust in me, just like you show me. You are NOT my customer, you are my friend!
Ok Chef Bolli, take care for now and speak to u again soon my friend. Regards, STEVE ;-)
I think that´s all what I have...
12.) Lol, brother I always love reading your messages. This is just a quick reply to let you know that you are an even bigger and better friend than I already knew of you. And it does not surprise me. I totally understand where your coming from too, because ofcourse this is not a $50 card or anything lol. I will reply to you on full later my friend and explain your other questions you asked me.
Speak to you soon brother Mohamed, and once again I appreciate your generous patience (you will be very very happy when you have the card and see the extra gift I will love to add for you).
Regards, Steve
13.) Brother believe me, I love you the SAME way as I love you from day 1. Here on the weekend the post office is closed. There is one that does open on Saturday, BUT it is about 1 hour away. AND it closes at 3pm, AND more importantly I have work on Saturday AND Sunday. I work 7 days Mohammed. I promised you it will be done within the next 2 weeks, even if I have to take 1 day off work then I will do this. I am NOT upset at you, I am just a little bit disappointed that you trusted me this long and now u open a dispute. To me bro, it is not about the money. I have a good friend in USA who took 3 months to receive a card I bought off him. But I still trusted him because I know he is not a scammer. I have dealt with kaiserking many times, so I don't know why he told he that u made a mistake. I wish to keep our friendship forever, no matter what happens. And when u get the card, it will prove to you that I really was extremely busy and it is an honest delay. But plz brother u have to close the paypal dispute. If I wanted to scam you, I would close my bank account and never reply to you or anyone else. But that is NOT me. It makes me a bit upset that u have some bad ideas in ur head to think I will not deliver. Believe me bro, your patience will pay off in the end.
My dad used to say to me when I was young that a person who has patience is a person who will be sitting under gods thrown in the day of judgement. So I ask you plz do me this one thing, and still trust me that i will deliver. I am not here to rip you off. If I wanted to scam people, I could do so many many times because I have high reputation. But again, that is not me. And for you, I will still put my hand in fire for you too.
Believe me bro, you are thinking too much about it. And it's understandable because it's been so long. But it really is nothing you need to worry about. I'm not gonna steal half your money and take your card. Again, that is NOT me. I feel bad because you think you can't claim ur first payment aswell. Because I don't want you to think that is gone.
You gotta close the dispute Mohammed. Trust me on this one bro. Like you have trusted me thus far. And in the end you will NOT be disappointed. From a brother to a brother, you have my WORD.
14.) Brother I cannot believe what u have just said. How can I go to the post office to send your card when they close at 5pm but I do not finish work until 7pm (generally I usually finish at 6pm). If you want me to send regular mail then YES I can send ASAP. Because I already have stamps and I have packaging materials. But to send express (like I want to), I MUST go inside the PostOffice and fill in customs forms and signed EMS declaration. I told u 2 weeks now. And paypal dispute says they have given me 10 days. So what does that mean I have to lose half the money and then still send you the card?? Come on bro. I honestly didn't think u would think of me like this. U really have upset me from the heart with your last email. I'll talk to u later, I have to go.
15.) This sentence upset me the most:
"You didn´t trust me and wanted at first all the money"
16.) Bro, please do not get upset or angry. U have my SINCERE apologies. The only reason I said give me 2 weeks is because I will take 1 day off work. I just got this promotion in my job Mohammed and I honestly don't want to start taking days off work cos I want to show my boss that he made a correct decision in appointing me managing duties. That is why I said give me 2 weeks.
This has blown up into something that should not be. I am NOT angry at you. I am only upset why you opened a dispute now. You trusted me all the way and this whole time. And I do not want to make you upset Mohammed. Right now my paypal account is barred and in debit $1200 because of the dispute. I can't sell anything on forums, I can't use eBay, I can't do anything. I DO trust you will close the dispute after you receive the card. I know you will.
I need you to close the dispute bro. Give me your phone number and I will call you from work tomorrow and I will assure you that you are in SAFE hands.
And yes I will continue to send your card using express courier international like we initially agreed.
I just don't want to see you angry brother. That is he LAST thing that I want. And I want our friendship to last forever and hopefully wish to meet you in person one day too.
Bro I've had many many things happen to me the last 2-3 months (good and bad things). And I will NEVER EVER rip you (or anyone else) off. I am against this kind of people. You are honestly on top of my priority list Mohammed, and I never ever want to see you upset or angry. My head and my heart is bleeding now that I see you are angry with me. But brother, you are looking into it too much.
I even saw the MJ chrono gold sell on ebay for $600 and I was worried maybe it is not worth $2000 like u told me, but after u confirmed that it IS worn $2000 I believed you because I trust you, and know you would not lie to get a better deal.
I HATE making anyone upset (in the hobby and in my personal life). I try do whatever I can to make people happy. And that is what I want to see you, be happy.
Just be confident that you will get your MJ auto jersey, I promise you on my kids lives you will receive it. Maybe it will be nearly 3 weeks until it is in your hands, but either way you will receive it. Sometimes when you think about something tooooo much, your mind can play tricks. I understand that me not replying quickly maybe made you worried, and that's fair enough. I still love and trust you like I did from day 1. So plz Mohammed, no hard feelings bro, and please forgive me if I have upset you. Our deal is a very highend deal and I understand. But bro if I take a day off work now then my boss will definitely get pissed off because he left me in charge since he went overseas. As soon as he comes back, heck I can even fly to Germany to give you the card in person lol. but until then, I only can send regular mail because I already have stamps and envelopes on-hand and I don't need to go inside the post office.
You have to test me bro on this one, and I assure and guarantee you that you will be a happy man in the end. I will also add a very very nice surprise freebie card for you to say sorry about this delay.
Ok Mohammed?
I will speak to you later, I need to go on BTC forum tonight because I have some messages in my inbox I need to check. Maybe I will see you there ;-)
PS. I hope you like my long essays, because I know you like to always improve on ur language. Lol
17.) Brother and CHEF Mohammed ;-)
What can I say?????? Thank you so so so very much for giving me the benefit of the doubt and more importantly TRUSTING me. I promise you I will not let u down.
I am so so so so sorry it has taken this long. I swear to god you don't know how bad I feel. When you receive the card and the freebie I will add for you, it will make up so so much for the delay, and you will LOVE me very very very much (love me like a brother, not the other kind of man love). Lol.
And it will prove to you that this delay is legitimate and honest. And I am not a scammer. I hope all scammers go to hell in the day of judgement.
Even yesterday when I was at work I found 5 packages with cards that I mixed up with my paperwork and folders, and the buyers are going to be upset because of the delay. I put them in the mailing box today for them and I have to message them and explain my stuff up. I even added some freebie cards for them to say sorry. Regular mail I can send because I have all the shipping equipment in-hand. But for anything that is express international that needs customs forms filled in, I have to go into the post office and do it in-person. And this is why I have delayed from sending your card. And again Mohammed I apologize sincerely from the bottom of my heart.
And the freebie card I am adding for you will make up for the delay. I will give you some clues about the card, but I won't tell you what it is lol lol. It is SUPER LEGEND player, it is an auto, it is worth about $200, and it is serial numbered to /25. That's all I will say for now lol lol lol. It is the LEAST I could do for you, and you will be very impressed.
But it will not compare to the MJ 98-99 auto jersey. When you receive the MJ you will probably divorce your wife and you will get married to this card. Lol lol lol
Ok mr bolli thank you again for believing in me and proving that you do have trust in me. This is a very highend deal and so I can totally understand why you became upset or worried, but again let me assure you that you are in 1000% safe hands, and I will always be one of the most trustworthy friends you will have online and in life. And if I can EVER help you with anything else, please don't hesitate to let me know.
Your friend. Steve
18.) Mr Chef and my brother Bolli aka Mohammed ;-) How are you, and how have you been? Good I hope Sorry it took me a couple of days to reply to this last email you sent, sincere apologies my friend. YES I definetely DO see that you do trust me more than you trust most other people. When you consider the fact that we are people on opposite sides of the world and also the fact that you only know me from what I tell you, and I know you from what you tell me, this really REALLY means a lot to me. And again, I thank you for confiding in me and TRUSTING me. You will be a very very VERY happy man when you have received my package, I can promise you that much. And again, the freebie card is the absolute least I can do to make up for the delay and to show you just how much your friendship and trading card business and trades means to me. And you will not be disappointed ;-) I learnt a lot from my father, and he showed me how to be a good man. And I like to think I am a good man like my father. One thing he taught me and made sure I understood very well was trust, honor, and respect. And I like to always use these principles in all things I do in life, as it can take you a long way. Besides our basketball hobby, my job is a great example of how trust, honor, and respect has got me to where I am today. I don't like to brag or "show-off", but when you are a genuine and honest man, you get rewarded in many ways (in this life, and in the next life. Because I believe there is a heaven and hell and there WILL be a next life for all humans). People that are NOT real and genuine do NOT last long, and knock on wood, I have a lot of love in my life (personally and online). And my instincts have taught me when to trust others and respect the people I deal with or meet. And I must say Mohammed, you are ranked very HIGHLY in my book of respect and loyalty. And I will never forget you, and I will never want to upset or anger you either. When I saw you became a bit upset (or offended) by some of the things I wrote in some of my emails (which I NEVER intended to try and purposely irritate you), it honestly made me very upset. And I was really hurt to see you in that mood. So once again, I would love to apologize and ask you to forgive me if I ever said anything you read or saw as being rude or offensive. From the bottom of my heart! Please have a great week and weekend coming up brother, and hopefully by the end of next week my supervisor, managing role, and busy work and personal life will have slowed down a bit, and I can take a hard earned break and catch up on many things that I have dearly missed over the last couple of months. The AWESOME friends I have in the online forum world I miss very dearly, and I look forward to speaking to all of them hopefully sooner rather than later. I will ALWAYS keep you updated on your awesome Michael Jordan 1998-99 UD Game Jersey Autograph /23 and let you know when it has been officially posted. And also provide you with all the package information and online tracking details so you can keep check the status via the Online Postage Websites, and then have a heart-attack when you have this beautiful card (plus bonus). Lol Lol Lol (ofcourse, god forbid anything bad happens to you when you open my package and start drooling with your mouth open 10-inches wide while being hipnotized by the awesomeness piece of cardboard that will be in your hand and possession). Lol Lol Lol Kindest of Regards, Your brother Steve PS. I hope you enjoyed reading this email I've just sent you my friend, and my brother from another mother (lol). I tried to purposely use the correct and proper spelling with all my wordings and punctuation, aswell as correctly and properly sentence each paragraph and/or topic so it understandably flows from one to the next (and so you could see how, where, and when a new paragraph should be properly and professionally presented. In return, grouping each topic/situation/story in its own paragraph makes it easier to understood in the manner it's written and expressed). in the , and punctuation, and And I hope you learnt or found it useful in one way or another since I know you are always looking to try and improve your current skills and correct methods correctly make use of your current skills with so learn better on ways to always improving your skills with this language we refer to as the "English" language. certain ways and learn some positive notes and useful tips when it comes to using "this" English language, and how it is correctly used or written. Because I do know how much you love reading my emails and messages. And at the same time take note of how I spell, punctuate, and write my wording/sentences which in return "teaches" and guides you on how to properly and correctly use the English language (even though personally I think your English language and skills are very impressive, I say this with all due respect my friend. Because you've told me many times how you enjoy reading my messages/emails and better understand your knowledge for the English language, which in return also helps you further advance and improve on your personal skills for any future references and/or dealings you may have. But once again Mohammed, I will verify that your understanding and use of the English language is very impressive for a person that is NOT from a Western or primarily English-Speaking country. So you should be very proud of how much you're understanding for this very common and primarily-used language. , as you always impress me when I read your messages/emails because 99.9% of the time you DO use the CORRECT methods of puncuation, spelling, gramma, and overall understanding which makes sense and is correctly written/used. PPS. I'm not sure if it was a server error, or if you became upset and blocked my email address, but can you please >
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when we start to dealing he asked me what i want for my jordan chronology and i told him that this card is deep in my pc! I told him that i got for my other jordan chronology $1800 and i think this slamdunk version is more expensive. He told me that he thinks that the worth is between $2000-$2500! I told him that i won`t let this card go for under $2000. He accepted! After i have send the card and the money he asked 2-3 times if the cards is really worth $2000. It was a little bid strange for me! So i told him the name of the member from ozcardtrader who traded the card with me and i told steve that he can ask him if i´m a liar!
12.) Lol, brother I always love reading your messages. This is just a quick reply to let you know that you are an even bigger and better friend than I already knew of you. And it does not surprise me. I totally understand where your coming from too, because ofcourse this is not a $50 card or anything lol. I will reply to you on full later my friend and explain your other questions you asked me.
Speak to you soon brother Mohamed, and once again I appreciate your generous patience (you will be very very happy when you have the card and see the extra gift I will love to add for you).
Regards, Steve
13.) Brother believe me, I love you the SAME way as I love you from day 1. Here on the weekend the post office is closed. There is one that does open on Saturday, BUT it is about 1 hour away. AND it closes at 3pm, AND more importantly I have work on Saturday AND Sunday. I work 7 days Mohammed. I promised you it will be done within the next 2 weeks, even if I have to take 1 day off work then I will do this. I am NOT upset at you, I am just a little bit disappointed that you trusted me this long and now u open a dispute. To me bro, it is not about the money. I have a good friend in USA who took 3 months to receive a card I bought off him. But I still trusted him because I know he is not a scammer. I have dealt with kaiserking many times, so I don't know why he told he that u made a mistake. I wish to keep our friendship forever, no matter what happens. And when u get the card, it will prove to you that I really was extremely busy and it is an honest delay. But plz brother u have to close the paypal dispute. If I wanted to scam you, I would close my bank account and never reply to you or anyone else. But that is NOT me. It makes me a bit upset that u have some bad ideas in ur head to think I will not deliver. Believe me bro, your patience will pay off in the end.
My dad used to say to me when I was young that a person who has patience is a person who will be sitting under gods thrown in the day of judgement. So I ask you plz do me this one thing, and still trust me that i will deliver. I am not here to rip you off. If I wanted to scam people, I could do so many many times because I have high reputation. But again, that is not me. And for you, I will still put my hand in fire for you too.
Believe me bro, you are thinking too much about it. And it's understandable because it's been so long. But it really is nothing you need to worry about. I'm not gonna steal half your money and take your card. Again, that is NOT me. I feel bad because you think you can't claim ur first payment aswell. Because I don't want you to think that is gone.
You gotta close the dispute Mohammed. Trust me on this one bro. Like you have trusted me thus far. And in the end you will NOT be disappointed. From a brother to a brother, you have my WORD.
14.) Brother I cannot believe what u have just said. How can I go to the post office to send your card when they close at 5pm but I do not finish work until 7pm (generally I usually finish at 6pm). If you want me to send regular mail then YES I can send ASAP. Because I already have stamps and I have packaging materials. But to send express (like I want to), I MUST go inside the PostOffice and fill in customs forms and signed EMS declaration. I told u 2 weeks now. And paypal dispute says they have given me 10 days. So what does that mean I have to lose half the money and then still send you the card?? Come on bro. I honestly didn't think u would think of me like this. U really have upset me from the heart with your last email. I'll talk to u later, I have to go.
15.) This sentence upset me the most:
"You didn´t trust me and wanted at first all the money"
16.) Bro, please do not get upset or angry. U have my SINCERE apologies. The only reason I said give me 2 weeks is because I will take 1 day off work. I just got this promotion in my job Mohammed and I honestly don't want to start taking days off work cos I want to show my boss that he made a correct decision in appointing me managing duties. That is why I said give me 2 weeks.
This has blown up into something that should not be. I am NOT angry at you. I am only upset why you opened a dispute now. You trusted me all the way and this whole time. And I do not want to make you upset Mohammed. Right now my paypal account is barred and in debit $1200 because of the dispute. I can't sell anything on forums, I can't use eBay, I can't do anything. I DO trust you will close the dispute after you receive the card. I know you will.
I need you to close the dispute bro. Give me your phone number and I will call you from work tomorrow and I will assure you that you are in SAFE hands.
And yes I will continue to send your card using express courier international like we initially agreed.
I just don't want to see you angry brother. That is he LAST thing that I want. And I want our friendship to last forever and hopefully wish to meet you in person one day too.
Bro I've had many many things happen to me the last 2-3 months (good and bad things). And I will NEVER EVER rip you (or anyone else) off. I am against this kind of people. You are honestly on top of my priority list Mohammed, and I never ever want to see you upset or angry. My head and my heart is bleeding now that I see you are angry with me. But brother, you are looking into it too much.
I even saw the MJ chrono gold sell on ebay for $600 and I was worried maybe it is not worth $2000 like u told me, but after u confirmed that it IS worn $2000 I believed you because I trust you, and know you would not lie to get a better deal.
I HATE making anyone upset (in the hobby and in my personal life). I try do whatever I can to make people happy. And that is what I want to see you, be happy.
Just be confident that you will get your MJ auto jersey, I promise you on my kids lives you will receive it. Maybe it will be nearly 3 weeks until it is in your hands, but either way you will receive it. Sometimes when you think about something tooooo much, your mind can play tricks. I understand that me not replying quickly maybe made you worried, and that's fair enough. I still love and trust you like I did from day 1. So plz Mohammed, no hard feelings bro, and please forgive me if I have upset you. Our deal is a very highend deal and I understand. But bro if I take a day off work now then my boss will definitely get pissed off because he left me in charge since he went overseas. As soon as he comes back, heck I can even fly to Germany to give you the card in person lol. but until then, I only can send regular mail because I already have stamps and envelopes on-hand and I don't need to go inside the post office.
You have to test me bro on this one, and I assure and guarantee you that you will be a happy man in the end. I will also add a very very nice surprise freebie card for you to say sorry about this delay.
Ok Mohammed?
I will speak to you later, I need to go on BTC forum tonight because I have some messages in my inbox I need to check. Maybe I will see you there ;-)
PS. I hope you like my long essays, because I know you like to always improve on ur language. Lol
17.) Brother and CHEF Mohammed ;-)
What can I say?????? Thank you so so so very much for giving me the benefit of the doubt and more importantly TRUSTING me. I promise you I will not let u down.
I am so so so so sorry it has taken this long. I swear to god you don't know how bad I feel. When you receive the card and the freebie I will add for you, it will make up so so much for the delay, and you will LOVE me very very very much (love me like a brother, not the other kind of man love). Lol.
And it will prove to you that this delay is legitimate and honest. And I am not a scammer. I hope all scammers go to hell in the day of judgement.
Even yesterday when I was at work I found 5 packages with cards that I mixed up with my paperwork and folders, and the buyers are going to be upset because of the delay. I put them in the mailing box today for them and I have to message them and explain my stuff up. I even added some freebie cards for them to say sorry. Regular mail I can send because I have all the shipping equipment in-hand. But for anything that is express international that needs customs forms filled in, I have to go into the post office and do it in-person. And this is why I have delayed from sending your card. And again Mohammed I apologize sincerely from the bottom of my heart.
And the freebie card I am adding for you will make up for the delay. I will give you some clues about the card, but I won't tell you what it is lol lol. It is SUPER LEGEND player, it is an auto, it is worth about $200, and it is serial numbered to /25. That's all I will say for now lol lol lol. It is the LEAST I could do for you, and you will be very impressed.
But it will not compare to the MJ 98-99 auto jersey. When you receive the MJ you will probably divorce your wife and you will get married to this card. Lol lol lol
Ok mr bolli thank you again for believing in me and proving that you do have trust in me. This is a very highend deal and so I can totally understand why you became upset or worried, but again let me assure you that you are in 1000% safe hands, and I will always be one of the most trustworthy friends you will have online and in life. And if I can EVER help you with anything else, please don't hesitate to let me know.
Your friend. Steve
18.) Mr Chef and my brother Bolli aka Mohammed ;-) How are you, and how have you been? Good I hope
Sorry it took me a couple of days to reply to this last email you sent, sincere apologies my friend. YES I definetely DO see that you do trust me more than you trust most other people. When you consider the fact that we are people on opposite sides of the world and also the fact that you only know me from what I tell you, and I know you from what you tell me, this really REALLY means a lot to me. And again, I thank you for confiding in me and TRUSTING me. You will be a very very VERY happy man when you have received my package, I can promise you that much. And again, the freebie card is the absolute least I can do to make up for the delay and to show you just how much your friendship and trading card business and trades means to me. And you will not be disappointed ;-) I learnt a lot from my father, and he showed me how to be a good man. And I like to think I am a good man like my father. One thing he taught me and made sure I understood very well was trust, honor, and respect. And I like to always use these principles in all things I do in life, as it can take you a long way. Besides our basketball hobby, my job is a great example of how trust, honor, and respect has got me to where I am today. I don't like to brag or "show-off", but when you are a genuine and honest man, you get rewarded in many ways (in this life, and in the next life. Because I believe there is a heaven and hell and there WILL be a next life for all humans). People that are NOT real and genuine do NOT last long, and knock on wood, I have a lot of love in my life (personally and online). And my instincts have taught me when to trust others and respect the people I deal with or meet. And I must say Mohammed, you are ranked very HIGHLY in my book of respect and loyalty. And I will never forget you, and I will never want to upset or anger you either. When I saw you became a bit upset (or offended) by some of the things I wrote in some of my emails (which I NEVER intended to try and purposely irritate you), it honestly made me very upset. And I was really hurt to see you in that mood. So once again, I would love to apologize and ask you to forgive me if I ever said anything you read or saw as being rude or offensive. From the bottom of my heart! Please have a great week and weekend coming up brother, and hopefully by the end of next week my supervisor, managing role, and busy work and personal life will have slowed down a bit, and I can take a hard earned break and catch up on many things that I have dearly missed over the last couple of months. The AWESOME friends I have in the online forum world I miss very dearly, and I look forward to speaking to all of them hopefully sooner rather than later. I will ALWAYS keep you updated on your awesome Michael Jordan 1998-99 UD Game Jersey Autograph /23 and let you know when it has been officially posted. And also provide you with all the package information and online tracking details so you can keep check the status via the Online Postage Websites, and then have a heart-attack when you have this beautiful card (plus bonus). Lol Lol Lol (ofcourse, god forbid anything bad happens to you when you open my package and start drooling with your mouth open 10-inches wide while being hipnotized by the awesomeness piece of cardboard that will be in your hand and possession). Lol Lol Lol Kindest of Regards, Your brother Steve PS. I hope you enjoyed reading this email I've just sent you my friend, and my brother from another mother (lol). I tried to purposely use the correct and proper spelling with all my wordings and punctuation, aswell as correctly and properly sentence each paragraph and/or topic so it understandably flows from one to the next (and so you could see how, where, and when a new paragraph should be properly and professionally presented. In return, grouping each topic/situation/story in its own paragraph makes it easier to understood in the manner it's written and expressed). in the , and punctuation, and And I hope you learnt or found it useful in one way or another since I know you are always looking to try and improve your current skills and correct methods correctly make use of your current skills with so learn better on ways to always improving your skills with this language we refer to as the "English" language. certain ways and learn some positive notes and useful tips when it comes to using "this" English language, and how it is correctly used or written. Because I do know how much you love reading my emails and messages. And at the same time take note of how I spell, punctuate, and write my wording/sentences which in return "teaches" and guides you on how to properly and correctly use the English language (even though personally I think your English language and skills are very impressive, I say this with all due respect my friend. Because you've told me many times how you enjoy reading my messages/emails and better understand your knowledge for the English language, which in return also helps you further advance and improve on your personal skills for any future references and/or dealings you may have. But once again Mohammed, I will verify that your understanding and use of the English language is very impressive for a person that is NOT from a Western or primarily English-Speaking country. So you should be very proud of how much you're understanding for this very common and primarily-used language. , as you always impress me when I read your messages/emails because 99.9% of the time you DO use the CORRECT methods of puncuation, spelling, gramma, and overall understanding which makes sense and is correctly written/used. PPS. I'm not sure if it was a server error, or if you became upset and blocked my email address, but can you please >---------- Post added 12-08-2011 at 04:42 AM ----------
when we start to dealing he asked me what i want for my jordan chronology and i told him that this card is deep in my pc! I told him that i got for my other jordan chronology $1800 and i think this slamdunk version is more expensive. He told me that he thinks that the worth is between $2000-$2500! I told him that i won`t let this card go for under $2000. He accepted! After i have send the card and the money he asked 2-3 times if the cards is really worth $2000. It was a little bid strange for me! So i told him the name of the member from ozcardtrader who traded the card with me and i told steve that he can ask him if i´m a liar!
Ughhh. Sorry to hear bolli. God, I hate to be judgemental but Steve sounds like a car salesperson with the hard sell in all his PM's. "Trust me broooooo, if you can't trust your own bro, who can you trust??" Get your sh*t together Steve and do the right thing.
First payment...
16. Mai 2011 Zahlung an Shirley Elliott Abgeschlossen Details Zahlung an Shirley Elliott 47395778FW3923232 -$612,50 $0,00 -$612,50 USD
16. Mai 2011 Zahlung an Shirley Elliott Abgeschlossen Details Zahlung an Shirley Elliott 3DP02204VJ764452M -$612,50 $0,00 -$612,50 USD
I think one or two days later I have shipped the cards to him. Then I payed last time (I wanted to pay earlier but he didn´t answered my mails for around one weeks)...
29. Mai 2011 Zahlung an Shirley Elliott Abgeschlossen Details Zahlung an Shirley Elliott 0JE48424YD115241U -$1.200,00 $0,00 -$1.200,00 USD
I had a small mistake. I payed him $2425 and not $2475 what I wrote before.
His mails are from the 05/10/2011 - 07/21/2011! I have all messanges but I didn´t write every date on every messange but when I have to proof something then I´ll seperate everything.
16. Mai 2011 Zahlung an Shirley Elliott Abgeschlossen Details Zahlung an Shirley Elliott 47395778FW3923232 -$612,50 $0,00 -$612,50 USD
16. Mai 2011 Zahlung an Shirley Elliott Abgeschlossen Details Zahlung an Shirley Elliott 3DP02204VJ764452M -$612,50 $0,00 -$612,50 USD
I think one or two days later I have shipped the cards to him. Then I payed last time (I wanted to pay earlier but he didn´t answered my mails for around one weeks)...
29. Mai 2011 Zahlung an Shirley Elliott Abgeschlossen Details Zahlung an Shirley Elliott 0JE48424YD115241U -$1.200,00 $0,00 -$1.200,00 USD
I had a small mistake. I payed him $2425 and not $2475 what I wrote before.
His mails are from the 05/10/2011 - 07/21/2011! I have all messanges but I didn´t write every date on every messange but when I have to proof something then I´ll seperate everything.
I had a quick read through the entire thread last night and as soon as he said he doesn't want to make it public alarm bells would of started ringing for me, you should never do a deal unless it's made public in the trade thread and you never have to reveal what sort of money and cards are in exchange in the trade thread, that's what personal messages are for.
Greed is the root of all evil and Money can make us do some stupid things like collect Patrick Ewing but on a more serious note I hope he clears his name and Bolli gets his card.:v:
Greed is the root of all evil and Money can make us do some stupid things like collect Patrick Ewing but on a more serious note I hope he clears his name and Bolli gets his card.:v:
UltimateDeron
D-Will Super Collector
His ebay name is actually shirleyboyz and he just bought a Glen Rice Auto on July 31st, 11 days ago.
Dealt with Steve a few times and the deals were flawless. Looks like he just landed on hard times, but that is no excuse to scam another person.
Bolli - Maybe I overlooked it, but did you pay by Paypal? Is it too late to file a claim on the transaction? If he did indeed give the card to CherryCollectibles then he obviously did not mail it to you. So I would think you could get your funds back.
Best of luck to you. This is shocking to read.
Theres no way on this earth steve would intentionally rip or deceive anyone ...hes in my top 2 for the people i trust
Ide stake my collection on it.!!!!!!!!
I care little for whatever accusations you throw out...theres always 2 sides.
Sorry to be blunt but good old bb is top notch as far as im concerned !!
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Ide stake my collection on it.!!!!!!!!
I care little for whatever accusations you throw out...theres always 2 sides.
Sorry to be blunt but good old bb is top notch as far as im concerned !!
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After reading all those correspondence from Steve to Boilli, I find it very amusing on his style of writing. I think everybody knows Steve is an excellent communicator and even though I have bought cards that are in the 100s of dollars, i find it very puzzling that the style of writing to me is not even close to what he has written to Boilli. Mine are very factual and direct, no mucking around kind of message but the ones written to Boilli are very jazzy and sale-like pitch. Very much like a Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde approach. What do you think guys?
Watching Steve trade for the last few years, I would say that he was trying to head off anything that might cause issues with Big G. The reason someone would not want something written up is due to that you don't want someone else knowing your finances. He knew he owed G money and probably was looking to sell the card to finance that exact payoff for the card back and then send it out to Bolli. Piecing this thread together isn't hard, the time lines and fact that are here give you a reference. I have never seen Steve as having a scammers personality, just look at the way he creates posts his cards on the boards, his disclosure of issues is famous, then look at his packaging!
However, in saying this, unless he is lending his ebay account to others or doing buying for someone else through it, his buying a card on ebay with in the last 2 weeks put some doubt at this moment what his true intentions were. Unless he is so addicted to Ebay or boxes or cards it has become a gambling habit and for that, serious intervention will be needed. I would be a bit disappointed as I would never wish someone to create such a stir, however you never know how people are going to react to financial issues. Look at the people who rob banks, I mean really.....
I will still wait to see when and if Steve responds and clarify all of this stuff. I would agree if people look at him as being the worst person of the moment as its your personal opinion and I will not ask anyone to change that, all I will do is ask, which most of you have already done, is that this gets resolved sooner then later, and everyone can put closure to this event.
Mike
However, in saying this, unless he is lending his ebay account to others or doing buying for someone else through it, his buying a card on ebay with in the last 2 weeks put some doubt at this moment what his true intentions were. Unless he is so addicted to Ebay or boxes or cards it has become a gambling habit and for that, serious intervention will be needed. I would be a bit disappointed as I would never wish someone to create such a stir, however you never know how people are going to react to financial issues. Look at the people who rob banks, I mean really.....
I will still wait to see when and if Steve responds and clarify all of this stuff. I would agree if people look at him as being the worst person of the moment as its your personal opinion and I will not ask anyone to change that, all I will do is ask, which most of you have already done, is that this gets resolved sooner then later, and everyone can put closure to this event.
Mike
aussiemjfreak
Taj Gibson & Set Collector!
Mate, this would have been my exact reaction if...... IF it hadn't come to light he clearly owes at least 2 people A LOT OF MONEY! He has that SICK MJ auto/gu with Cheery ac collateral for moneies owed... which to me would point to the fact its a very substantial amount, then he has also done a deal with Bolli that equates to around the $5k mark cash and cards!!!!!
I questioned the same thing, however I have similar emails from Steve in the past that were a bit more street. I had to dismiss this as he knows how to make a deal...
i cant believe how much sh*t talk there is in those pm's.....halfway through reading i thought he was gonna ask if he could take Mohammed out for a coffee!!!
At the end of the day, there is absolutely no excuse for what has happened here. It doesn't matter if Steve has fallen on hard times or not, he has committed a crime. I find this hobby is a lot like gambling. People bust box after box trying to get the big hit. They make spur of the moment purchases they can't afford. They get addicted. Maybe there should be a BCA (Basketball Cards Anonymous)
I hope it all works out for you Mo.
At the end of the day, there is absolutely no excuse for what has happened here. It doesn't matter if Steve has fallen on hard times or not, he has committed a crime. I find this hobby is a lot like gambling. People bust box after box trying to get the big hit. They make spur of the moment purchases they can't afford. They get addicted. Maybe there should be a BCA (Basketball Cards Anonymous)
I hope it all works out for you Mo.
aussiemjfreak
Taj Gibson & Set Collector!
I have no doubt in my mind those emails are from Steve!! But also like you said thats a bit of a different side to him thats not normally known! I have received PMs and emails from him previously discussing trades and purchases that have been worded in both ways!
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