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Re: 2008-09 Cleveland Cavaliers Season Thread

Williams can do those things, when he has the ball. But this is Bron's team. He may as well be Boobie if he doesn;t have the ball, but he's being paid much much more.

And Williams an All-star? PLEASE! The guy wasn;t an Allstar when he had free reign to do whatever he wanted at the Bucks, and even then he only put up 16ppg and what...6-7apg?

Next you're going to tell me Jason Williams was an Allstar caliber player :lol:

Yes this is Lebron's team, but that doesn't mean Lebron will have the ball ALL the time. That's why Delonte West played so well with Lebron last year, because he complimented him, and seeing as Williams is a better player than Delonte, his production and impact will be even more than West's was.

Look at Houston, they are the perfect example of a team where a SF/SG dominates the ball in McGrady. Most of the time Alston brings up the ball and gives it straight up to Tracy, but he still gets his numbers and makes a solid impact at the end of the night. This will be the same with Mo Williams.

Secondly, I'm not saying Williams will be the missing piece to the championship, but to compare him to Boobie Gibson shows a real lack of NBA knowledge. Gibson isn't even a point guard, he's simply a gunner, a poor mans Ben Gordon, and you definately wouldn't find BG playing the point at ANY TIME in Chicago. Mo isn't the saviour of the Cavs, but if your saying that Gibson could be as productive as Williams if he had played in Milwaukee, or been in Mo's situation, that's just a dumb thing to say. Gibson isn't even a point guard and he has no play-making abilities what-so-ever.

Lastly, I didn't say Williams is an All-Star, I said his play over the last few years is enough for many coaches and players to warrant him being very CLOSE to the level. If he was to make one step up, over the past 2 years he would have definately garnered a few votes from the coaches at ASW. Oh, and it was 17.3 ppg and 6.3 apg last year, and many players have put up far worst statistical lines than that to be selected into the game.
 
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BOS (1-0) 90 - CLE (0-1) 85

Great game by both side! Same 5 point diff as the last time they met... Someone has to win and unfortunately its not us!:)

Lebron had a not so good night but still mange 22 pts. He missed a lay up and a couple of FT's in the end.

We seem a bit lost on offense in the second half. But great to see Varejao getting a few Off Rebound in the 4th. Its a good sign.

Next game will be against the Bobcats and its the first game at home. Hopefully we get a win there to get that confidence going!:lol:
 
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im feeling Cavs this year, a bit more depth has been added with williams, and i am praying to the god jordan the Wallace has found a new Pistons in the Cavs
 
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im feeling Cavs this year, a bit more depth has been added with williams, and i am praying to the god jordan the Wallace has found a new Pistons in the Cavs

I think Big Ben is still being bothered by that sore back. I hope it gets better.:)
 
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Much the same as the last few season this Cav's side. They really need to get rid of Big Ben.
 
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Yes this is Lebron's team, but that doesn't mean Lebron will have the ball ALL the time. That's why Delonte West played so well with Lebron last year, because he complimented him, and seeing as Williams is a better player than Delonte, his production and impact will be even more than West's was.

Look at Houston, they are the perfect example of a team where a SF/SG dominates the ball in McGrady. Most of the time Alston brings up the ball and gives it straight up to Tracy, but he still gets his numbers and makes a solid impact at the end of the night. This will be the same with Mo Williams.

Secondly, I'm not saying Williams will be the missing piece to the championship, but to compare him to Boobie Gibson shows a real lack of NBA knowledge. Gibson isn't even a point guard, he's simply a gunner, a poor mans Ben Gordon, and you definately wouldn't find BG playing the point at ANY TIME in Chicago. Mo isn't the saviour of the Cavs, but if your saying that Gibson could be as productive as Williams if he had played in Milwaukee, or been in Mo's situation, that's just a dumb thing to say. Gibson isn't even a point guard and he has no play-making abilities what-so-ever.

Lastly, I didn't say Williams is an All-Star, I said his play over the last few years is enough for many coaches and players to warrant him being very CLOSE to the level. If he was to make one step up, over the past 2 years he would have definately garnered a few votes from the coaches at ASW. Oh, and it was 17.3 ppg and 6.3 apg last year, and many players have put up far worst statistical lines than that to be selected into the game.

The problem with Bron having the ball and not Mo is that Mo is a ball dominating, shoot first PG, which is why I reckon he'd do as well as Gibson would in that role. Delonte played well next to Bron because he doesn;t need the ball, he's a sidekick.

Not sure where I said Gibson would do what Mo did at the Bucks? I'm saying that Mo will play the role that Gibson and all other guards have to play to Bron, a sidekick who gets shots sometimes but can't play as a true PG cause they won;t get the chance. I'd take Gibson's stats at his contract over the same stats from Mo's contract anyday.

And hey, if you think comparing Alston to Mo was a good idea, think again. If Mo gets Alston's numbers, while solid, they are not worth that contract.

Lack of NBA knowledge...right...I'm happy to be wrong but 10-13ppg and 3-5apg sounds about right for Mo this year next to Bron.
 
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The problem with Bron having the ball and not Mo is that Mo is a ball dominating, shoot first PG, which is why I reckon he'd do as well as Gibson would in that role. Delonte played well next to Bron because he doesn;t need the ball, he's a sidekick.

Not sure where I said Gibson would do what Mo did at the Bucks? I'm saying that Mo will play the role that Gibson and all other guards have to play to Bron, a sidekick who gets shots sometimes but can't play as a true PG cause they won;t get the chance. I'd take Gibson's stats at his contract over the same stats from Mo's contract anyday.

And hey, if you think comparing Alston to Mo was a good idea, think again. If Mo gets Alston's numbers, while solid, they are not worth that contract.

Lack of NBA knowledge...right...I'm happy to be wrong but 10-13ppg and 3-5apg sounds about right for Mo this year next to Bron.

You pointed it out in the very first line of your post. Delonte is a "sidekick", and that's exactly what Mo has been brought in to be! I'm not saying he's been brought in to be more than a sidekick, but he's such a good player he'll help them far more than any exscuse for a point guard they've had in the past.

Yes Lebron dominates the ball, but you can't even put up the former point guards and compare them to anything remotely near Mo Williams level. Jeff McInnis, Eric Snow, Delonte West, Damon Jones, who else? Sure they did a pretty damn bad job but that's also largely to the fact that they all suck as first-line point guards.

The massive upgrade of Mo Williams finally gives Lebron a quality starter at that position, who deserves to be starting. The rest were exscuses to fill the roster with, simply because they couldn't get a point guard of Williams calibre.

I'm not sure what your going on about with Mo getting Alston's numbers? Because Mo already has better numbers than Alston over the past 2 seasons, so are you trying to make claims on stats that haven't been recorded yet or are you just predicting?

I guess we can agree to disagree, but you'll easily see when Mo DOESN'T average 13-15 and 3-5 this season. We'll basically see when the stats for the next season are done, and I hold firmly to it that Williams will put up stats nowhere near the **** 12-2-2 that Boobie puts up... But until then I'll hold onto my argument based on factual stats from the last few years, and not predictions of what could be..
 
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You pointed it out in the very first line of your post. Delonte is a "sidekick", and that's exactly what Mo has been brought in to be! I'm not saying he's been brought in to be more than a sidekick, but he's such a good player he'll help them far more than any exscuse for a point guard they've had in the past.

Yes Lebron dominates the ball, but you can't even put up the former point guards and compare them to anything remotely near Mo Williams level. Jeff McInnis, Eric Snow, Delonte West, Damon Jones, who else? Sure they did a pretty damn bad job but that's also largely to the fact that they all suck as first-line point guards.

The massive upgrade of Mo Williams finally gives Lebron a quality starter at that position, who deserves to be starting. The rest were exscuses to fill the roster with, simply because they couldn't get a point guard of Williams calibre.

I'm not sure what your going on about with Mo getting Alston's numbers? Because Mo already has better numbers than Alston over the past 2 seasons, so are you trying to make claims on stats that haven't been recorded yet or are you just predicting?

I guess we can agree to disagree, but you'll easily see when Mo DOESN'T average 13-15 and 3-5 this season. We'll basically see when the stats for the next season are done, and I hold firmly to it that Williams will put up stats nowhere near the **** 12-2-2 that Boobie puts up... But until then I'll hold onto my argument based on factual stats from the last few years, and not predictions of what could be..

You can;t use the last few years as any kind of example because the Bucks were a completely different scenario. Mo had to take the ball and dominate the ball there cause while Redd is a black hole for shots, he isn;t the type to use the ball like Lebron. And who else was there at the Bucks? To think that Mo will put up the same numbers in Cleveland when he's not dominating the ball is a big mistake IMO. Like I said, happy to be wrong, but there is only 1 ball. Flip Murray, perfect example, suddenly got a heap of time and ball in Seattle a few years back and produced some great stats (wasn't it 18 5 and 5 as a starter?) because he had nobody else around him and he could do as he pleased as Mo has done these past couple of years. What did he do since?

No question Mo is better than Boobie and all those other guards that played for Cleveland you mentioned, except for Delonte, but he's not going to get a chance to be better than Gibson is my point.
 
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cavs will be better than their first game, i liked what i saw from them against the celts, once lebron and mo williams and ilgauskas get their groove on, they will be hard to beat.
 
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Thats right Mate! I'm really excited about them but I feel that Pavlovic should stop thowing those outside shots and just drive inside. :lol:
 
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You can;t use the last few years as any kind of example because the Bucks were a completely different scenario. Mo had to take the ball and dominate the ball there cause while Redd is a black hole for shots, he isn;t the type to use the ball like Lebron. And who else was there at the Bucks? To think that Mo will put up the same numbers in Cleveland when he's not dominating the ball is a big mistake IMO. Like I said, happy to be wrong, but there is only 1 ball. Flip Murray, perfect example, suddenly got a heap of time and ball in Seattle a few years back and produced some great stats (wasn't it 18 5 and 5 as a starter?) because he had nobody else around him and he could do as he pleased as Mo has done these past couple of years. What did he do since?

No question Mo is better than Boobie and all those other guards that played for Cleveland you mentioned, except for Delonte, but he's not going to get a chance to be better than Gibson is my point.

Well we'll see mate, agree to disagree. Otherwise this will never end. :v:
 
Re: 2008-09 Cleveland Cavaliers Season Thread

Preview for tomorrow's game...

Bobcats-Cavaliers Preview

Several years ago, Larry Brown was one of the most sought-after coaches in the NBA, and his flirtation with the Cleveland Cavaliers while coaching an Eastern Conference rival was one of the top stories during the 2005 playoffs.


Brown didn't end up with Cleveland, and his career hasn't been the same since.

After a disastrous stint with a dysfunctional team and two seasons out of coaching, Brown makes his return to the bench with the Charlotte Bobcats as they open their season by visiting the Cavaliers on Thursday night.

Brown was named the third Bobcats coach in three seasons in April. It's his ninth NBA head coaching gig and first since his dramatic fall from grace, which was at least partially set into action by speculation that he'd take a job with Cleveland.

Brown, now 68, led Detroit to the NBA title in his first season with the team in 2004, and again took the Pistons to the finals in 2005. The team fell short against San Antonio that spring amid reports that Brown would be leaving to take an executive position with the Cavaliers.

Brown turned down the Cleveland offer to take over as coach of the New York Knicks. He was fired after one tumultuous season in which he clashed with management and players and tied a franchise record with 59 losses.

A bitter dispute with the Knicks over how much money he was owed, combined with the perception that he'd left the Pistons on bad terms, likely contributed to Brown not getting another coaching job until Bobcats managing partner Michael Jordan -- a fellow North Carolina alum -- came calling.

With Brown trying to resurrect his coaching career, Jordan hoping to save his sinking reputation as an executive and the Bobcats looking for their first winning season, the trio appears to be a good fit.

Brown said he told his players early in training camp to forget about the franchise's first four seasons and focus on this one.

"I told them to not worry about what we've done in the past," said Brown, one of five NBA coaches with 1,000 wins and the only coach to lead teams to NBA and NCAA championships. "Shoot, I wouldn't be here if Michael worried about what I did my last year. He's given me a chance."

An 0-8 preseason and questionable depth leave the Bobcats with plenty of concerns as they try to improve after last season's step backward.

"I'm not down," said Brown. "Even though we were 0-8 and, God, you wish you could have some positive result in some of these games, I do think we're getting better."

They'll have to if they want to improve upon last season's 32-50 finish. Much of the burden will fall on Jason Richardson, the team leader with 21.8 points per game last season, and Gerald Wallace, who's increased his scoring average in each season since Charlotte acquired him in the 2004 expansion draft.

The Bobcats are also counting on strong returns from Adam Morrison and Sean May, both of whom missed last season following knee surgery. May, however, hasn't inspired confidence. He collected more fouls (22) than rebounds (21) while lumbering through the preseason.

"Right now I don't think he's ready to play at all," Brown said, adding that he'd probably go with power forward by committee to start the season. "I think he's trying, but I don't think he's in the kind of shape to be able to compete on this level and do all the things he's capable of doing."

That might not bode well for a meeting with the Cavaliers, who followed up last season's 45-37 finish by losing their 2008-09 debut on the road to defending champion Boston on Tuesday night. They took a seven-point lead into halftime, but were outscored 24-13 in the third quarter en route to a 90-85 defeat.

On the night the Celtics were presented with their championship rings, the Cavaliers committed 21 turnovers, including four from point guard Mo Williams in his debut with the team.

"We congratulate (the Celtics). They had a great season and we're happy for them," Cavaliers forward Anderson Varejao said. "Seeing that makes us hungry to go out and get a ring of our own."

Cleveland won three of four against Charlotte last season, with all four games being decided by seven points or fewer, including one in double overtime.

Cavs forward LeBron James, last season's scoring champ with 30.0 points per game, averaged 31.0 points, 10.0 rebounds and 7.7 assists while shooting 50.8 percent from the field in three games against the Bobcats in 2007-08.

We should win this one tomorrow.:D
 
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Great home opener for us! :thumbsup:

Cavaliers 96, Bobcats 79

Lebron 22-9assts-9rbds (Great overall game!)
Mo Wil 17-7assts-4rbds (What we are hoping for):)
Big Ben 10rbds-5blks (a little bit of his old self)

But the night belongs to Boobie!!! 25 pts on 10-14 shooting (4-6 3pts) =D>

Here's what Larry Brown has to say after his Bobcat coaching debut:
"I'm not trying to make excuses, but I don't think we're quite ready right now."
:)

Full story: [ame="http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=281030005"]Charlotte Bobcats vs. Cleveland Cavaliers - Recap - October 30, 2008 - ESPN[/ame]
 
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yea bobcats need a change, sean may is definately not the answer, they are wasting jrich and gerald wallace atm.

not to take anything away from the cavs, they obviously had the messy game at boston in mind.
 
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Nice win. Delonte looks like he's sliding back into his all-round contributing game too :)
 
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yea bobcats need a change, sean may is definately not the answer, they are wasting jrich and gerald wallace atm.

not to take anything away from the cavs, they obviously had the messy game at boston in mind.

I know. That game at Boston was good for the team. They were able to see where they stand against the Celtics. It may be the first game of the season but I dont think the Celtics played easily... So that was a good measuring stick, imo.

And May is not in shape at all so they are just wasting time on that one. I wish them a better season than last year for the sake of MJ alone...:)
 
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Great win by the cavs, even spread of scoring (apart from wallace's 2 points!).
 
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Nice win. Delonte looks like he's sliding back into his all-round contributing game too :)

The rotation of Mo Williams, Delonte West and Boobie Gibson is great to see when it clicks. Delonte had a quiet night but maybe thats because Gibson was hot. I don't see Delonte sliding backwards. Its just the way the night went.:)
 
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i see the cavs and the blazers in the same boat really, first game get asses handed to them, second game come back strong.

only problem is we dont have someone of the standard of lebron james :(
 
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i see the cavs and the blazers in the same boat really, first game get asses handed to them, second game come back strong.

only problem is we dont have someone of the standard of lebron james :(

i DIDN'T THINK THE CAVS GOT DONE LIKE THE BLAZERS DID IN THE FIRST GAME... ooops sorry bout the caps! :razz:
 
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