Greg Oden is just a low level ninja ?

hahaha that's hilarious. oden is way overrated though he fouls too much to even stay on the floor. that's why thabeet is also overrated, don't draft him #2 you'll be regretful!
 
westriot said:
lmao...too bad oden is going to be at his best when shaq is retired
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Not sure we are ever going to see the best of Oden, but i hope so. I still think Shaq in his prime would have monstered them all. But Shaq at 24 vs Howard at 24 would have been epic :)
 
Quite funny but....is it just me or now everytime shaq has a mic near him hes just beatin up on people? Dont get me wrong i like Shaq but everytime he speaks its everywhere and u dont really hear him say anything good about anyone other than himself.
 
ozguy3825 said:
Quite funny but....is it just me or now everytime shaq has a mic near him hes just beatin up on people? Dont get me wrong i like Shaq but everytime he speaks its everywhere and u dont really hear him say anything good about anyone other than himself.
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He's definately got a big ego but that's part of what makes the big catcus :)

He does give credit to players if credit is due, ever since he came to the Suns he's been praising Steve Nash and STAT.

He gives big props to D-Wade.

He's had conflicts though which has lead him to problems with Kobe etc but I think he's shown real maturity by making up with Kobe over the last few years.

When you are hands down the most dominant big man to ever play the game, you can't be soft-spoken and praising everyone else without talkin yourself up! That'd just be uncharacteristic like!

Shaq = Goliath.. not the BFG!!:razz:
 
dickyKnee said:
Not sure we are ever going to see the best of Oden, but i hope so. I still think Shaq in his prime would have monstered them all. But Shaq at 24 vs Howard at 24 would have been epic :)
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Your definately not wrong.

Shaq is the most dominant player (talking bigs) to ever play the game. Dwight doesn't come close. He's dominant but some games when teams play D on him right he doesn't get touches.

That barely ever happened with Shaq and only towards the last few years of his career.

At this point in Dwight's career Shaq was going for 25-29 a night every night with 12-13 boards and a couple of blocks.

Dwight's got Shaq's number in terms of defensive comparisons but offense, that's not even right.

If Dwight was playing in the 90's, he would be getting destroyed by not only Shaq, but Hakeem, Pat, Robinson and Mourning.

All those guys could take it to the cup, shoot a decent % from the FT line (minus Shaq), hit the 15 footer (minus Shaq) and have a variety of turn-arounds or hooks in the lane.

If Dwight played in the 90's his offense would look like Dikembe Mutombo's in the 90's. He'd be a surefire defensive stalwart roaming the paint, but he wouldn't be getting his 20+ you can be sure of that.
 
ozguy3825 said:
Quite funny but....is it just me or now everytime shaq has a mic near him hes just beatin up on people? Dont get me wrong i like Shaq but everytime he speaks its everywhere and u dont really hear him say anything good about anyone other than himself.
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Agreed...... as per my quote in another thread. ;)
 
Look this This video.

You can see How SHAQ was dominent.
(I haven't liked SHAQ but SHAQ is one of 5 legend Center in NBA history)

I like DH12 but DH12 definitely will not reach SHAQ's level.

If you can't see this video for a while, try later.

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westriot said:
all star performances don't mean anything
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I have not been SHAQ fan so I don't have many nice video of SHAQ.

SO I posted that video. That's all.

The point I wanted to tell you guys, SHAQ was dominent even in All Star Game.

At that time, All Star Game was not like now days.
(Some players competed each other. and there was crazy passion ! )

And what do you think why they(Kemp,Olajuwon,Malone) try to hard deffense against SHAQ...just for fun?



Do you remember? This season All Star game was one of the worst ever !

I think you would think that days passionful all star game as the same level as now a days worst all star games.



Yes Yes Yes, SHAQ is not dominent any longer rnow..But look at his age.

His Debut Season was 1992 !!




IF you can't accept that all star video, I would recommend Blazers VS Lakers PO around Millenium.



Will Greg Oden be able to do like that? Never !
(Even he would not be able to do like above SHAQ All star video. and nobody deffense against Oden..Because it is not necessary.
Ah.I have one question, Will Oden be able to be a all star player?)


But think about this, SHAQ's Opponent was not easy rather really really difficult.

For example, Blazers lotated Sheed, Sabonis, Grant and Young JO against SHAQ at that time. But SHAQ nearly won over them.
(Anyway SHAQ won as result.
Blazers could deffense well against SHAQ but it was really difficult to each other.
And sometimes SHAQ lose but it was similar because above PF, C players had too many foul trouble.)


How about Oden?



Ah I forgot one more thing.

Grant Hill and Tim duncan was All Star Player even in his rookie season...
(not rookie all-star)

I think that truth would be speechless for Oden.
 
am i the only one left impressed by oden? lol

sure he's not as good as shaq and other marquee bigs in their rc year.. but you got to consider..
he came from 3 injuries.. 4 including the one in college..
and he's averaging what? 9/7/1 in 20 minutes?
If he could stop making such dumb fouls and play 30 minutes per game
he'd probably contend for roy right now averaging 15/10/2...
gasol and klove ain't doing much better and they're considered 2 of the best bigs in this draft.
horford was making what 13/10/1.5 last year, playing more games and more minutes and he was almost roy.

and to think when oden peaks there aren't many true centers in the league? he will be dominant!!! if he keeps healthy :lol:
 
Chowpei said:
am i the only one left impressed by oden? lol

sure he's not as good as shaq and other marquee bigs in their rc year.. but you got to consider..
he came from 3 injuries.. 4 including the one in college..
and he's averaging what? 9/7/1 in 20 minutes?
If he could stop making such dumb fouls and play 30 minutes per game
he'd probably contend for roy right now averaging 15/10/2...
gasol and klove ain't doing much better and they're considered 2 of the best bigs in this draft.
horford was making what 13/10/1.5 last year, playing more games and more minutes and he was almost roy.

and to think when oden peaks there aren't many true centers in the league? he will be dominant!!! if he keeps healthy :lol:
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No offense, but it is meaningless "what if".

For example..

If Ralph Sampson was healthy, what would happen?
(but he was not healthy)

If Shawn Kemp was still Sonics With healthy, what would happen?
(But he left to Cavs and he failed..I have been Big Shawn Kemp Fan but I know that.)

IF Robert Horry missed last 3PT, Kings would be the champ !!
(Rather Big Shot Rob didn't miss much 3PT at really precious time. Furthermore, C-Webb lost against KG in 2004 PO).

If Allen Iverson is 6-6, The Answer would be the craziest !
(Not true. The reason why Iverson has been crazy(not this season), he has done basketball with heart..not heights.)




If someone tells me "what if", I feel like this. "If Bill Russell has Chamberlain's hardware, what if?" - 20 rings?

If Russell has Chamberlain hardware, he mihgt be without champ.

Because Russell was only 6-10. so he tried to be more improved and more domminent.




We only would have to consider real world and Stat as it is. Not over to 36 Per min.

If like that, for example Von Wafer(yah..Just example..I know he is nice) wouild be T-MAC(before injury).


There is something more beyond stat, atheletic ability.


It's mental part like passion, senergy and self management. Rather it is really big.


For example, Andrew Bynum has great potential and hardware.

But he has had no rookie season yet. Because he hasn't gone through whole season yet !
(And he was from class of 2004, the same class mate is DH12.)

Like "what if", If Bynum is on 60's, can he win over Bill Russell? Absoultely not!

Even he won't 1:1.
(Russell is only 6-10.That is not small but small at Center Position)

I think Wes Unseld would win over easily Bynum and Oden at least now.




The most suspicious thing to Oden is mental part.

Foul trouble means he didn't think about his weak point.

Injury is ,too!


Think about 1980's and 1990's.

Magic Johnson said " I didn't see like Charles(Barkely) uses his body without cautious"(not exact but like this.)

And how about 90's centers and PF position players?

They were crazy but they didn't have much injury like Oden.


Rather all of them(like Rob, SHAQ, ZO) was over 20-10 from rookie season.


I don't know when you started to watch NBA.

But if someone watched from 1980's or 1990's, he can't tell Greg Oden as "next Patrick Ewing".



Yes we don't know because Oden is Young.


But at least this would be true.


1) Oden is not impressive anymore.
Someguys bustered he is playback of 90's traditional center like Ewing.

The worse thing is # 2 is Kevin Durant.(I don't like KD though)

If someone didn't like that comment "wow he is next patrick ewing..blablab", we would not consider..but too many people busted already.


2) Even if he becomes great in the future, it has much to do with now a days league status. It would have less to do with his ability.

Think about it..only nice center remained this league(except SHAQ) are only 2

East - DH12

West - Ming

SO if he(and Bynum) can't be domminent like this easy environment, rather it would be nonsense.
 
lol if you can't say what if.. then you can't really say anthing yet coz he just played one year or about half..
if you want to look back and judge a young player, then post the thread in 10 years.
lol.. it's useless to compare proven players like shaq and dh12 because you've seen what they got, you don't need "ifs".

if we judged shaq 1 year ago, would you have said he would be an all-star again? probably not.. or maybe "if he gets healthy" which he did and look at him. same with g-hill.. who would have thought he'd make a comeback.. people were saying "if he gets healthy again, he'd still play" and he did. so really, you need "ifs" if you want to judge the future


but i agree... they have it easy. that's what i'm saying.. he'll be really dominant because the nba is smaller... doesn't mean he cant play against the big boys.. just means there aren't many around...

magic played in an era where no one that tall plays that fast... if he went against the fast and more athletic guys right now standing almost as tall as him, i doubt he'll be as effective and dominant either
 
Chowpei said:
lol if you can't say what if.. then you can't really say anthing yet coz he just played one year or about half..
if you want to look back and judge a young player, then post the thread in 10 years.
lol.. it's useless to compare proven players like shaq and dh12 because you've seen what they got, you don't need "ifs".

if we judged shaq 1 year ago, would you have said he would be an all-star again? probably not.. or maybe "if he gets healthy" which he did and look at him. same with g-hill.. who would have thought he'd make a comeback.. people were saying "if he gets healthy again, he'd still play" and he did. so really, you need "ifs" if you want to judge the future


but i agree... they have it easy. that's what i'm saying.. he'll be really dominant because the nba is smaller... doesn't mean he cant play against the big boys.. just means there aren't many around...

magic played in an era where no one that tall plays that fast... if he went against the fast and more athletic guys right now standing almost as tall as him, i doubt he'll be as effective and dominant either
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I don't deny he has potential and possiblity to be a nice player.



But the point I wanted to tell you is now.



The reason why I told you Legend center, not for whole career but for only rookie season.

As it is, like this condition it would be nearly impossible Oden will be a great player. That is the point what I wanted to tell you.





Did Greg Oden over 20-10 with healthy in his rookie season ? no

DID Rob, SHAQ, ZO do? Yes.


That would be answer.




And Center Position is really special position.

There are many improved players in another position.

Like KG, T-MAC, Kobe....


But I have never heard improved to legend level at Center Position.
(DH12 is very nice and crazy player but he is not like Legend Centers..)


Except Ben Wallace(but Ben Wallace was non-drafted player..And he was great but not legend..),
all Legend center position players in history were all great from rookie season.




How about Oden? Oden was 1st pick with crazy buster..and?
 
ahhh i see. yeah it's weird centers from the 80s and 90s seem to be more nba ready... but now the bigmen take a little time.. like yao and dh12 and bosh (best 3 Cs i reckon of recent years).. they were averaging maybe 10-15 pts and about 7-9rebs? so nothing special but they're playing well now. You have to understand to. In the 90s, Centers were big offensively. Now, it's the game for guards and forwards.
 
Chowpei said:
am i the only one left impressed by oden? lol

sure he's not as good as shaq and other marquee bigs in their rc year.. but you got to consider..
he came from 3 injuries.. 4 including the one in college..
and he's averaging what? 9/7/1 in 20 minutes?
If he could stop making such dumb fouls and play 30 minutes per game
he'd probably contend for roy right now averaging 15/10/2...
gasol and klove ain't doing much better and they're considered 2 of the best bigs in this draft.
horford was making what 13/10/1.5 last year, playing more games and more minutes and he was almost roy.

and to think when oden peaks there aren't many true centers in the league? he will be dominant!!! if he keeps healthy :lol:
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the fact that your a blazers fan might have something to do with it?

yes oden is coming off all those injuries but they shouldn't be used as excuses. he was heralded with Lebron James type hype coming into the draft, and what has he accomplished in nearly 2 seasons in the NBA?

i know we are being harsh on him but people said he was the next David Robinson, a dominant player - nobody thinks he's not capable of being a monster in a year or two (if not a few), everyone is just saying he is obviously still on the learning curve - and for that reason is overrated.

Horford put up 10/10 in his rook season and he wasn't nearly ROY lol KD swept it out, Horford was up there in consideration but to be fair nobody else had a good season. (KD, Horford, Scola, Thornton? Jeff Green? - Weak year)

As for Gasol and K-Love not doing much better I'm not even gonna get into that.. K-Love and Gasol have had far FAR better seasons than Oden all you need to do is check the stat pages..
 
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