Grading Cards

adz2332 · Sep 14, 2009

Hey all,

Have read through a heap of grading cards threads in the basketball forums.

Now i know Australian AFL markets are to small to have its own grading system..

But my question is would you pay more for a AFL card if it was graded?

And would you pay more if it was graded by one of those American companies?

Also would you use a company here in Australia if one was avaliable for grading?

Any thoughts and feed back?

Cheers

Tricolour · Sep 14, 2009

It wouldn't worry me. I would rather an aussie grading company more than a us one tho

adz2332 · Sep 14, 2009

Would you see enough interest to have a AUS company doing it?

aprec8 · Sep 14, 2009

yeah definatley an australian grading system would be fantastic i would pay around 10% more for a well graded card only problem is with both code's of football and cricket there still would only be a very small operation eg the only cards that are going to get graded are cards with $100 plus value like redemptions and captians signatures and draft picks what we need first is compition between card companys select has no compition
if there where two they would compete against each other to have the best and most expensive cards (Aleague wouldnt make a difference either there inserts are very common just box odds no case odds and non sports cards are basicly non existant in australia ??

adz2332 · Sep 14, 2009

As i have been toying with the idea for some time of getting a company up for grading systems...

My biggest thing would be getting people to trust it. Then being reconised as a genuine card grader in Aus.

It would be hard to be taken serious and become established...

But what it would offer is -

1. Anti tamper holders so the buyers would know exactly what there getting
2. Online data base of cards. Another way to make sure they cant be tampered with. ie serial number #001 was a Matthew Primus Capatain Sig car. Graded 9.5 etc etc
3. easier to sell online etc as it would give people an idea without seeing it themselves

Also a card is a card so it wouldnt have to be AFL specific.. As its grading on the card itself not the rarity of it etc

aprec8 · Sep 14, 2009

adz2332 said:
As i have been toying with the idea for some time of getting a company up for grading systems...

My biggest thing would be getting people to trust it. Then being reconised as a genuine card grader in Aus.

It would be hard to be taken serious and become established...

But what it would offer is -

1. Anti tamper holders so the buyers would know exactly what there getting
2. Online data base of cards. Another way to make sure they cant be tampered with. ie serial number #001 was a Matthew Primus Capatain Sig car. Graded 9.5 etc etc
3. easier to sell online etc as it would give people an idea without seeing it themselves

Also a card is a card so it wouldnt have to be AFL specific.. As its grading on the card itself not the rarity of it etc

another thing u could consider is being affiliated with some of the big name card stores for recomendations ans some sort of stability
but even so if u started somthing like that up the first year would be the best year because u would be grading ten years worth of cards plus but after that i could only see between 1&2 thousand cards graded per annum ??

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this is a great topic there is also real opertunity for a quarterly price guide for australian cards if u could combine the two u would be flying

crows2010 · Sep 14, 2009

adz, I would be interested in helping out also.

I consider myself a budding entrepreneur

Tricolour · Sep 14, 2009

yea i would be happy to help out also

Lions2003 · Sep 14, 2009

That's A Good idea, But i would help out but i would need to be told what to do???

graham · Sep 14, 2009

You would also need some people who actually have a decent eye for grading cards and are above any sort of favoritism

crows2010 · Sep 14, 2009

brandonr54 said:
yea i would be happy to help out also

I think it's best to leave this one to the grown-ups mate

PS. That goes for Lions2003 as well

nickelarse · Sep 14, 2009

I used to work at a large printing company, and understand ink on paper, plates, foil, diecutting, guillotining (eg. how the print on the card is centred), numbering, coatings, etc. Nearly anything that's special about the cards these days, I can advise on. I would be happy to consult/guide.

I actually believe, if this type of thing gets any momentum, it could prompt the Selects of the world to spend more time on their quality assurance programs. On the NRL side of things, the 09 Champions series was a disgrace, and QA should be tightened up.

aprec8 · Sep 14, 2009

nickelarse said:
I used to work at a large printing company, and understand ink on paper, plates, foil, diecutting, guillotining (eg. how the print on the card is centred), numbering, coatings, etc. Nearly anything that's special about the cards these days, I can advise on. I would be happy to consult/guide.

I actually believe, if this type of thing gets any momentum, it could prompt the Selects of the world to spend more time on their quality assurance programs. On the NRL side of things, the 09 Champions series was a disgrace, and QA should be tightened up.

spot on champ the 09 champions where terible but at the same time it would be the same with the cheaper afl cards there would be a lot less money spent in the manerfacturing of these cards hence the price per case compared to classic
this is not just one example dynamic done exactly the same thing in the 90s
in 94 they released 2 cheaper sets than the high quality masters again in 95 2 poorer sets then winfield cup tribute and in 96 3 normal sets and than signature gold thats why in the champions or any low budget cards u get no high end inserts (ie only 2 gems per box and a d/t is 1:4 boxes no signatures or redemptions u will always gets a low budget set of cards because there trying to cover the whole market the champions is more aimed at young collecters with small budgets thats why i think u will find there is a limited release of thehigher end cards

adz2332 · Sep 15, 2009

nickelarse said:
I used to work at a large printing company, and understand ink on paper, plates, foil, diecutting, guillotining (eg. how the print on the card is centred), numbering, coatings, etc. Nearly anything that's special about the cards these days, I can advise on. I would be happy to consult/guide.

I actually believe, if this type of thing gets any momentum, it could prompt the Selects of the world to spend more time on their quality assurance programs. On the NRL side of things, the 09 Champions series was a disgrace, and QA should be tightened up.

Thanks guys for the replies!

And as above would definatly like to ask a couple questions for sure!

And yes another reason is so select may get there act together...

The first big problem is trying to find a company that makes tamper proof card holders. ie once the card has been graded there is no changing the card without it showing damage to the holder etc etc
I have tried a couple australian manufactors and havent yet found anything sutable.

Also i am thinking of setting up a questionair to send around to collectors (here) and companies selling the cards (cardzone, kollectable koas) etc

If anyone has any ideas or anything to add or offering any help. I would very much be interested in hearing it

aprec8 · Sep 15, 2009

yeah champ with your tamper proof holders your best bet would be toy companys not sure on names as such but all little electronic games and heaps of other stuff come in tamper proof packages im not sure if its the toy companys that make these casings for there product or its a seperate company but than again these may well be all chinese or international companys but they have roughly the same stucture as a tamper proof card holder (like when you buy your kid a tamagotchi and you have to get the chainsaw out to open it if you know what i mean)
but there would be another way u could get the casings desinged and made here in australia and seal them yourself with a heat sealer it would also have to be desinged and made to specifercations but thats another option

adz2332 · Sep 15, 2009

Thanks for that. Never thought of toy makers etc.
Will email around and see what i get back!

evilhomer74 · Sep 15, 2009

and are above any sort of favoritism

Im your man, all Port Power cards are an instant grade of 0

Tricolour · Sep 16, 2009

crows2009 said:
I think it's best to leave this one to the grown-ups mate

PS. That goes for Lions2003 as well

hey man im just trying to help!
im old enough to work anyway so BAM shutdown lol

GMB#8 · Sep 16, 2009

even tho u maybe be an adult it dont mean u no more about cards then us!

hugo · Sep 16, 2009

I think this is a great idea, ive thought about this possibility a few times before and put it in the "to hard basket"

mainly due to what was mentioned before by someone about building a reputation.

If a Australian Grading Card Company opened up, I would be very keen to send in alot of my cards for grading but would definately hold off doing so for at least a few years. I wouldn't want the risk of some valuable cards being graded to only lose value.

For example some of the unreputable US grading companies, your cards are better off raw than graded by them.

One service I would love to see in Australia by a grading company is the certification of in-person autos.

I collect alot of in-person auto cards due to the limited amount of certified cards in AFL product. Whenever I purchase one I will generally compare it to a certified auto from the same player and get a rough idea of how authentic it really is, but to an untrained eye and human error I'm sure there would be one or two in there that aren't real.

I would love to get my in person autos certified and slabbed

just my 2 cents........

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