EVERYONE READ.. UD being dodgy?

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hey guys,
just thought that i would bring to your attention the way upper deck has changed its wording of its 'authenticity' on the back of its michael jordan cards recently..
this is actually quite important, as it covers UD's ass legally if MJ didn't actually wear the jersey in an NBA game (eg. fake)..
remember, UD's legal team wouldn't change the authenticity on the back of the card for no reason..


here is an example of a card of mine prior to 06-07..

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the back clearly states that "an authentic piece of patch worn by michael jordan in an nba game as a member of the chicago bulls".. legally, they could be sued if this is incorrect.. so this would mean that they would have most likely purchased the jersey directly from the NBA (nba properties)..


take this next mj jersey card from this years reflections (06-07)

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on the back it simply states that the memorabilia on the front of the card has simply been "certified to us as having been used in an nba game".
it doesn't even state that mj wore the jersey like the previous version..and something that has been "certified to us as having been used in an nba game" just requires a COA from ANYONE!
this means that they could purchase a 'game-used' MJ jersey with a COA off ebay and use it in their cards..




this just seems dodgy to me, as if UD are covering ther ass if the jersey is in fact fake, or never worn by mj at all .... legally, if they were sued because someone discovered the card was not real they would not be liable in the second case..(due to the person that supplied it)


im not sure if this is with all players being produced from 05-06 onwards.. but it certainly makes people suspicious on "when will the MJ jerseys ever run out" come into effect a bit more..

what you guys think? am i just crazy? :rolleyes:
 
yes your completely insane, but anyway...

thats ****ed, its an obvious legal loophole for UD right there, gives them a lot of leeway with regards to the jerseys authenticity. makes me believe even stronger that the GU pieces are dodgy. I think i might be done with GU if they all say that from now on, ill stick with the old ones with the definite guarantee on the back.
 
Its probably just in case they accidentally put someone elses GU into the card by accident.
Weve seen this happen on the boards before with members posting wrong autos and GUs clearly not from the team specified.

But then again, I always think UD is dodge ;) so theyre prolly doing this to screw us around
 
seems fairly dodgy to me (i find it hard to believe that very single gu card that has been produced has actual game worn material in it). But if It was to become a legal issue it would be hard to prove that the jersey or patch wasn't ever worn in a game though.
 
it seems dodgy to me. they don't even state in the sentence which player wore it. it could be any chicago player. or any player with matching jersey colours to mj's.
 
It's possible that all of the Jersey's that UD have accquired from MJ directly (he is a board member of UD) or NBA properties have run out, and they have had to buy after market GU gear from auction sites such as Mastronet/ebay etc.

Anyone notice that the pieces of GU are getting smaller and that in this years reflections there are different patches from different jerseys (96 allstar/black away and red away bulls Jerseys)...like they are getting low...

I've read that from about the mid 90's onwards Jordan wore a new jersey almost every game, and in some games like an All star game its possible he wore more than one jersey, so there is quite possibly hundreds of game used Jordan jersey's out there. Im sure he used to wear a new pair of shoes each game too.

To me its just UD covering their behinds legally, much like how they now state that the autographs have been "sent" directly to UD by the player.....not like they used to state that the autos were signed "in the presence of an UD representative"

Cheers
Matt
 
If I wasn't a player collector trying to get EVERTHING I would have had it with Upper Deck a long time ago! They are still putting in Celtics jerseys into 06/07 products when Walker hasn't been a Celtic for 18 months. Thats just a joke!
 
Who knows with Upper Deck, that's what I think. The Upper Deck factory is worse than Area 51 in the US! lol, one big mystery surrounds it
 
Sure, it covers their arse now, but I mean, who gives a rats these days?

GU cards are becoming that common, who actually cares where they come from now?

One thing that I find the biggest piss-off, is the fact that a player's PATCH card is NOT THEIR PATCH!!!

Exibit "M":
thumb_2004-05_Upper_Deck_Ultimate_Collection_Premium_Patch_M_UPP-DE.jpg


Exibit SOMETHING "E":
thumb_2004-05_Upper_Deck_Ultimate_Collection_Premium_Patch_VE_Rookie_Patch_UPP-DE.jpg


Exibit "Y":
thumb_2004-05_Upper_Deck_Ultimate_Collection_Premium_Patch_Y_UPP-DE.jpg


Clearly these three were not from a Devin Jersey.....

But get this... I just read the back of the Premium Patches:
"CONGRATULATIONS! You have received a Devin Harris Patch trading card from The Upper Deck Company. On the front of this card is an authentic piece of a patch from a jersey worn by Devin Harris at the 2004 NBA Rookie Photo Shoot. We hope you enjoy this piece of basketball history as we at Upper Deck continue to keep you as close as you can get!"

So they're saying that he wore the Jersey, but it's not his?????

In other words..... these Patches and cards are for someone else, but has his name all over it..... tsk tsk tsk....... NOT A HAPPY CUSTOMER UPPER DECK!!!
 
this makes me wonder if i should keep purchasing patch cards. i'm pretty much done with gu's because they have no value, but patches look so nice, i guess i'll have to put my foot down until i'm certain whether it's a scam.
 
Great thread.

Well, personally it does make people wonder now. As with the "old" speal, I would be more than happy to keep on collecting on my merry way with jersey and patch cards. Regardless if people think they are over produced etc. They are only over produced for the "crappy" cards, and there are plenty of "high end' jersey/patch cards available for people's liking.

BUt if I am going to pay big $$$ for a jersey or patch card now, i'm going to look for the older ones. Besides, I find them to look better than the ones nowadays.
 
If you're a collector it shouldnt matter.

Look at the GU Floor cards, a piece of ply-wood.... Who in their right minds believes that they've played on that piece of f-cking wood???

I coudlnt care less what the "authenticity" states, I'm still gonna buy em.

What about Autos?? "This card was sent directly to Upper Deck by XXX".... what a load of crap!
 
MavsMan© said:
If you're a collector it shouldnt matter.

Look at the GU Floor cards, a piece of ply-wood.... Who in their right minds believes that they've played on that piece of f-cking wood???

I coudlnt care less what the "authenticity" states, I'm still gonna buy em.

What about Autos?? "This card was sent directly to Upper Deck by XXX".... what a load of crap!
Click to expand...

Isn't it just wood from the floor? Probably went nowhere near the part of the court! :-D Ha ha ha

But I still bought them :-)
 
I don't think they are all from the surface either. Wow a player bounced a ball on top of some floor were my piece sat 3cm under.
 
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