Tthis was posted by nate on hes face book come to Chicago nate.....The sports world ain't ready for this combo! How many Bulls fans want to see me play with D-Rose next season??? #DaBulls #Holdat #HeartOverHeight #StateOfNate
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Cobretti
Fleer Collector
Well time to bump it up again as the season has started.
So far not so good with few injuries already. Butler and now Rose again with his other knee. Does anyone think he is finished as an NBA superstar?
Also i'm beginning to think that this Bulls team will be one of their greatest in their franchise that will not get anywhere as all their players seem to be injury magnets and they never get a chance to play out a full seaso together to build and shine on their talent.
So far not so good with few injuries already. Butler and now Rose again with his other knee. Does anyone think he is finished as an NBA superstar?
Also i'm beginning to think that this Bulls team will be one of their greatest in their franchise that will not get anywhere as all their players seem to be injury magnets and they never get a chance to play out a full seaso together to build and shine on their talent.
Mr Paparazzi
Adelaide's MOJO maker
http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/derrick-rose-injury-update-11232013.html
Sad update for us Bulls fans.
Sad update for us Bulls fans.
Cobretti
Fleer Collector
Man i have not been a happy camper yeterday but at least not as bad as first thought .
dont know what to say hope with todays medical procedures etc etc would be great to see him back at april . hope will not be another b.roy must be the most frustrating for him and the team .
dont know what to say hope with todays medical procedures etc etc would be great to see him back at april . hope will not be another b.roy must be the most frustrating for him and the team .
db6
OzCardTrader
D rose is a champion and feel so bad for him, hope he takes his time coming back. Not to much to worry about in the east so the bulls without rose till april or so then should be able to hold at worst 5/6th then find some momentum heading into the playoffs.
db6
OzCardTrader
D rose out for season chose to repair meniscus in his knee, great decision. Already talking about his rehab and thinking about the team . What would you do if you were GM of the bulls with a great draft coming up? Trade for picks? Trade in general? Amnesty someone?
Billyhoyle
Im Not Juan Garcia
Is the a number one curse the bulls have? First Jay Williams now Derrick????
Billyhoyle
Im Not Juan Garcia
Should the Chicago Bulls Sign LeBron James This Offseason?
The King Will Opt Out, but Is the Windy City His Next Destination?
By Matthew Smith 15 hours ago
LeBron James #6 of the Miami Heat looks on during a game against the Cleveland Cavaliers at American Airlines Arena on December 14, 2013 in Miami, Florida.
When LeBron James opts out of his contract this coming offseason, should the Chicago Bulls be there to offer him a max contract?
Now, before you say that James won't exercise the early-termination clause in his current deal the first chance he gets, think again. There simply isn't an extension that the Miami Heat can offer him this season that keeps him in their uniform past the 2016-17 season, according to the Sun Sentinel. Even for someone as fantastically wealthy as the King is, passing up an additional three years at more than $20 million per is bad business.
So he's going to opt out, which will give the Bulls a window to try and secure his services. It is a window they should never open, though. Yes, James is a difference-maker, but signing him doesn't make fiscal sense.
Let's talk turkey.
If James signs a max contract with a team other than the Heat after becoming a free agent, he will earn $20,020,875 in 2014-15 and then get 4.5-percent raises per annum under the terms of the collective-bargaining agreement. That would put his scheduled salary for the 2018-19 season at $22,723,693, according to Luke Adams over at HoopsRumors.com.
Now, for the sake of conversation, let's say that the Bulls are that team. The addition of his contract to the team's payroll means it will have up to $67,883,750 in salary committed to just four players -- Derrick Rose, Joakim Noah, Carlos Boozer, and James -- next season and will already be over the salary cap, which is being projected by Larry Coon to be $61.2 million.
Couple that number with the remaining players still under contract and the need to fill out the roster with fringe talent, and the Bulls are above the tax threshold and squarely in the unwelcome neighborhood of the "repeater tax."
Of course, the Bulls could jettison Boozer's contract by exercising the amnesty provision of his contract, which would give them a bit of space. Even then, though, putting James on the payroll puts the Bulls over the cap and just a few million away from the tax threshold.
And let's not forget about Nikola Mirotic.
While Mirotic's arrival this offseason is hardly guaranteed, the front office has been ramping up the rhetoric with him recently, according to Jorge Sierra from HoopsHype.com. Now, exact dollar figures are unknown at this point, but it is expected that the Bulls will have to offer him full mid-level exception to get him to leave Real Madrid, per Gringo Rican of Chicago Bulls Confidential. In other words, tack another $5 million (or so) on top of current payroll obligations.
Signing James is a bad move.
To be sure, there is no reason to believe that he would respond to any overtures the Bulls make anyway. He did snub them once already, and if is going to leave the Heat, it would likely be to join the Los Angeles Lakers or go back home to the Cleveland Cavaliers.
Besides, it's not like Derrick Rose is going to try and recruit him or anything. As we all know, that's not his style.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/chicago-bulls-sign-lebron-james-offseason-161500372--nba.html
The King Will Opt Out, but Is the Windy City His Next Destination?
By Matthew Smith 15 hours ago
LeBron James #6 of the Miami Heat looks on during a game against the Cleveland Cavaliers at American Airlines Arena on December 14, 2013 in Miami, Florida.
When LeBron James opts out of his contract this coming offseason, should the Chicago Bulls be there to offer him a max contract?
Now, before you say that James won't exercise the early-termination clause in his current deal the first chance he gets, think again. There simply isn't an extension that the Miami Heat can offer him this season that keeps him in their uniform past the 2016-17 season, according to the Sun Sentinel. Even for someone as fantastically wealthy as the King is, passing up an additional three years at more than $20 million per is bad business.
So he's going to opt out, which will give the Bulls a window to try and secure his services. It is a window they should never open, though. Yes, James is a difference-maker, but signing him doesn't make fiscal sense.
Let's talk turkey.
If James signs a max contract with a team other than the Heat after becoming a free agent, he will earn $20,020,875 in 2014-15 and then get 4.5-percent raises per annum under the terms of the collective-bargaining agreement. That would put his scheduled salary for the 2018-19 season at $22,723,693, according to Luke Adams over at HoopsRumors.com.
Now, for the sake of conversation, let's say that the Bulls are that team. The addition of his contract to the team's payroll means it will have up to $67,883,750 in salary committed to just four players -- Derrick Rose, Joakim Noah, Carlos Boozer, and James -- next season and will already be over the salary cap, which is being projected by Larry Coon to be $61.2 million.
Couple that number with the remaining players still under contract and the need to fill out the roster with fringe talent, and the Bulls are above the tax threshold and squarely in the unwelcome neighborhood of the "repeater tax."
Of course, the Bulls could jettison Boozer's contract by exercising the amnesty provision of his contract, which would give them a bit of space. Even then, though, putting James on the payroll puts the Bulls over the cap and just a few million away from the tax threshold.
And let's not forget about Nikola Mirotic.
While Mirotic's arrival this offseason is hardly guaranteed, the front office has been ramping up the rhetoric with him recently, according to Jorge Sierra from HoopsHype.com. Now, exact dollar figures are unknown at this point, but it is expected that the Bulls will have to offer him full mid-level exception to get him to leave Real Madrid, per Gringo Rican of Chicago Bulls Confidential. In other words, tack another $5 million (or so) on top of current payroll obligations.
Signing James is a bad move.
To be sure, there is no reason to believe that he would respond to any overtures the Bulls make anyway. He did snub them once already, and if is going to leave the Heat, it would likely be to join the Los Angeles Lakers or go back home to the Cleveland Cavaliers.
Besides, it's not like Derrick Rose is going to try and recruit him or anything. As we all know, that's not his style.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/chicago-bulls-sign-lebron-james-offseason-161500372--nba.html
drobfan8
OzCardTrader
I hope the Bulls stick together.
But who knows what they'll do.
They have a great team when healthy, but just seem a bit unlucky with injuries.
In regards to the article, firstly, if you get the chance to actually sign Lebron, you do it. He'll make that money back for you anyway.
Also, why in hell would he "likely" go to the Lakers or Cavs? Lakers is a 0% chance and Cavs is 1%.
In saying that, I would like to see him go to the Cavs and win them a chip. I'd also really like to see him go to the Bulls, but I just don't see it happening. I think he stays with Miami for sure.
But who knows what they'll do.
They have a great team when healthy, but just seem a bit unlucky with injuries.
In regards to the article, firstly, if you get the chance to actually sign Lebron, you do it. He'll make that money back for you anyway.
Also, why in hell would he "likely" go to the Lakers or Cavs? Lakers is a 0% chance and Cavs is 1%.
In saying that, I would like to see him go to the Cavs and win them a chip. I'd also really like to see him go to the Bulls, but I just don't see it happening. I think he stays with Miami for sure.
Billyhoyle
Im Not Juan Garcia
The Chicago Bulls? Gone till November.
By Kelly Dwyer April 30, 2014 5:01 PM Ball Don't Lie
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With every season that ends, for the playoff teams at least, we felt it right to take a look ahead. TNT already has the rights to "Gone Fishin'," and because we're sure that someone, somewhere, still likes that Wyclef song, we're going with "Gone Till November." And, yes, we know the season starts in October. Today? The Chicago Bulls.
The Chicago Bulls, as has been bandied about for years, are about to enter into a career-defining postseason. This can’t be overstated. The various dominos that will fall into place during the 2014 draft and free agency period will help shape the legacies of the ownership group, the team’s front office, its coaching staff, and the squad’s top players. It really will be that important. This is their time to either develop into a champion, or continue life as a plucky also-ran.
The options that the team’s ownership group and front office have in front of them are innumerable. There are potential waivings, potential trades, potential free agent signings, potential debuts from rookies from either stateside colleges or the international ranks, and potential stasis. Things could honestly remain the same, with the Bulls chalking up “flexibility,” some solid rookies, and the return of Derrick Rose yet again.
Or things could go haywire. Carlos Boozer could be given the boot via the amnesty clause, freeing Chicago of the $16.8 million they owe him next season. Chicago could use any number of assets – from international forward Nikola Mirotic to its two first round picks to in-prime big man Taj Gibson – to work up sign-and-trade deals for a star to place alongside Rose and star center Joakim Noah. Tom Thibodeau could finally open up his rotation and play more than a selected, needlessly-trusted few. Rose could not tear something. Noah may not run himself into the ground. The Miami Heat, full of heavy contracts and thin depth to support it, could fall short.
Y’know, like it was supposed to go in 2011. Like it was supposed to be in 2012. Like Chicago fans hoped, entering 2013-14.
Those 2013-14 hopes were dashed initially when Rose appeared nervous and uncertain out of the gate, with an out-of-breath Noah attempting to make up for a training camp mostly lost to a groin pull. Derrick then tore his meniscus in his right knee two weeks into the season, and Chicago smartly chose to take the long-term approach and re-attach his meniscus, rather than shaving it and forcing an in-season return. This once again put Chicago in NBA purgatory for the second straight season, one that was further damned by a January deal that sent former All-Star Luol Deng to Cleveland for no on-court help and draft picks that ultimately might just result in a pair of second-rounders and conditional switch of picks with the Cleveland Cavaliers.
It was a real heavy sigh-sort of situation, but because these are the Bulls, somehow things shaped up. Guard D.J. Augustin was pulled off the free agent pile, Noah rounded into shape and started whipping passes around, and the Bulls turned a 12-18 start into a 36-16 finish. And because the NBA loves an underdog, the plaudits rained down – Noah was given the league’s Defensive Player of the Year award, while most assumed the Bulls would shut down the younger Washington Wizards in the first round.
The Wizards instead dispatched Chicago in five games, pushing Chicago’s offseason back into April for the first time since 2010. That 2010 offseason saw Chicago potentially construct a winner – hiring Thibodeau, signing various role players, building a heady and deep team around Rose that ended up earning the NBA’s top record two seasons in a row.
Rose’s injury changed things, obviously. The team dumped those celebrated role players in favor of “flexibility” in the summer of 2012. It then dumped another series of role players in search of “flexibility” in the summer of 2013. It then traded Deng in search of “flexibility” in 2014. It could do the same this summer, if owner Jerry Reinsdorf doesn’t want to pay for a winner. The team did pay the luxury tax in 2013, but only because it overestimated the trade value of the declining Rip Hamilton. There are no assurances that Reinsdorf will go all-in on his second favorite sports team this summer.
This is part of the reason why Carlos Boozer may be a Chicago Bull next season. Of course the Bulls are going to attempt to deal Boozer’s expiring contract during the draft and the free agent season, utilizing the same desperation that high schoolers use when they ask supermodels out to prom on Twitter. Unless something currently unseen and super strange pops up, nobody is going to deal for Boozer’s contract, because expiring deals have far less value in the modern NBA than they did a decade ago.
To Reinsdorf, the idea of paying Boozer his full salary to go away and then paying his replacement’s salary on top of that deal might be an anathema. We’ve talked about as much for months. Reinsdorf’s thinking doesn’t have to tall in line with what basketball executives or NBA analysts know to be proper, it’s his team, and it’s completely up to him as to whether or not he wants to ruin it.
The dominos that fall from there?
Sure, the Bulls could waive Boozer (who declined to speak with media following the Game 5 loss and after cleaning out his locker on Wednesday at the team’s practice facility), construct some sort of sign-and-trade with their cap space and small batch of unguaranteed 2014-15 contracts and somewhat approximate a maximum salary for Carmelo Anthony in the offseason. This would also entail Phil Jackson working with a team he likely doesn’t want to (though he and Reinsdorf do have a good relationship), and Anthony turning down the Madison Square Garden spotlight, likely well over $30 million (remember, Chicago can’t offer the full “other team” maximum, as Houston did last year with Dwight Howard), and MSG’s tired 2015 “plan” that is no guarantee to ever play out.
This much is known: Joakim Noah is in his prime, Taj Gibson is in his prime, the Bulls have several rotation holes to fill if the much-maligned Kirk Hinrich and Boozer go elsewhere this summer, and the return (or even sound play) of D.J. Augustin is far from assured. It’s hard to tell if general manager Gar Forman and VP John Paxson are just unfortunate tools for Reinsdorf’s tax-avoiding ways, or if they are just that inconsistent in their approach, and there are genuine questions as to whether or not Tom Thibodeau’s stubborn nature (Jimmer Fredette couldn’t have helped you guys when Augustin was shooting 1-10?) holds this team back on its losing nights.
That’s not even getting into how Derrick Rose will look next fall. On opening night he’ll be playing just his 50th regular season NBA game since his 2010-11 MVP season ended. That’s 50 games, in three and a half years.
There is genuine concern that the Bulls will play up their two middling draft picks, search again for a one-year wonder on the wing and in the backcourt, attempt to bring Mirotic over for a so-so salary before ultimately failing, and once again put the pressure on Derrick Rose’s two surgically-repaired knees, Joakim Noah’s aching everything, and Tom Thibodeau’s “THIS FEBRUARY GAME IN ORLANDO IS OUR GAME 7!”-approach once again. While pointing to a shiny new practice facility, and tossing the carrot of yet another year full of flexibility in front of Bulls fans for what seems like the 15th year in a row, since Jerry Krause emptied his roster in search of cap space in 1999.
Or, they could get ‘Melo.
Big summer, this. Just your franchise on the line. No big deal.
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Kelly Dwyer is an editor for Ball Don't Lie on Yahoo Sports. Have a tip? Email him at [email protected] or follow him on Twitter! Follow @KDonhoops
By Kelly Dwyer April 30, 2014 5:01 PM Ball Don't Lie
.
With every season that ends, for the playoff teams at least, we felt it right to take a look ahead. TNT already has the rights to "Gone Fishin'," and because we're sure that someone, somewhere, still likes that Wyclef song, we're going with "Gone Till November." And, yes, we know the season starts in October. Today? The Chicago Bulls.
The Chicago Bulls, as has been bandied about for years, are about to enter into a career-defining postseason. This can’t be overstated. The various dominos that will fall into place during the 2014 draft and free agency period will help shape the legacies of the ownership group, the team’s front office, its coaching staff, and the squad’s top players. It really will be that important. This is their time to either develop into a champion, or continue life as a plucky also-ran.
The options that the team’s ownership group and front office have in front of them are innumerable. There are potential waivings, potential trades, potential free agent signings, potential debuts from rookies from either stateside colleges or the international ranks, and potential stasis. Things could honestly remain the same, with the Bulls chalking up “flexibility,” some solid rookies, and the return of Derrick Rose yet again.
Or things could go haywire. Carlos Boozer could be given the boot via the amnesty clause, freeing Chicago of the $16.8 million they owe him next season. Chicago could use any number of assets – from international forward Nikola Mirotic to its two first round picks to in-prime big man Taj Gibson – to work up sign-and-trade deals for a star to place alongside Rose and star center Joakim Noah. Tom Thibodeau could finally open up his rotation and play more than a selected, needlessly-trusted few. Rose could not tear something. Noah may not run himself into the ground. The Miami Heat, full of heavy contracts and thin depth to support it, could fall short.
Y’know, like it was supposed to go in 2011. Like it was supposed to be in 2012. Like Chicago fans hoped, entering 2013-14.
Those 2013-14 hopes were dashed initially when Rose appeared nervous and uncertain out of the gate, with an out-of-breath Noah attempting to make up for a training camp mostly lost to a groin pull. Derrick then tore his meniscus in his right knee two weeks into the season, and Chicago smartly chose to take the long-term approach and re-attach his meniscus, rather than shaving it and forcing an in-season return. This once again put Chicago in NBA purgatory for the second straight season, one that was further damned by a January deal that sent former All-Star Luol Deng to Cleveland for no on-court help and draft picks that ultimately might just result in a pair of second-rounders and conditional switch of picks with the Cleveland Cavaliers.
It was a real heavy sigh-sort of situation, but because these are the Bulls, somehow things shaped up. Guard D.J. Augustin was pulled off the free agent pile, Noah rounded into shape and started whipping passes around, and the Bulls turned a 12-18 start into a 36-16 finish. And because the NBA loves an underdog, the plaudits rained down – Noah was given the league’s Defensive Player of the Year award, while most assumed the Bulls would shut down the younger Washington Wizards in the first round.
The Wizards instead dispatched Chicago in five games, pushing Chicago’s offseason back into April for the first time since 2010. That 2010 offseason saw Chicago potentially construct a winner – hiring Thibodeau, signing various role players, building a heady and deep team around Rose that ended up earning the NBA’s top record two seasons in a row.
Rose’s injury changed things, obviously. The team dumped those celebrated role players in favor of “flexibility” in the summer of 2012. It then dumped another series of role players in search of “flexibility” in the summer of 2013. It then traded Deng in search of “flexibility” in 2014. It could do the same this summer, if owner Jerry Reinsdorf doesn’t want to pay for a winner. The team did pay the luxury tax in 2013, but only because it overestimated the trade value of the declining Rip Hamilton. There are no assurances that Reinsdorf will go all-in on his second favorite sports team this summer.
This is part of the reason why Carlos Boozer may be a Chicago Bull next season. Of course the Bulls are going to attempt to deal Boozer’s expiring contract during the draft and the free agent season, utilizing the same desperation that high schoolers use when they ask supermodels out to prom on Twitter. Unless something currently unseen and super strange pops up, nobody is going to deal for Boozer’s contract, because expiring deals have far less value in the modern NBA than they did a decade ago.
To Reinsdorf, the idea of paying Boozer his full salary to go away and then paying his replacement’s salary on top of that deal might be an anathema. We’ve talked about as much for months. Reinsdorf’s thinking doesn’t have to tall in line with what basketball executives or NBA analysts know to be proper, it’s his team, and it’s completely up to him as to whether or not he wants to ruin it.
The dominos that fall from there?
Sure, the Bulls could waive Boozer (who declined to speak with media following the Game 5 loss and after cleaning out his locker on Wednesday at the team’s practice facility), construct some sort of sign-and-trade with their cap space and small batch of unguaranteed 2014-15 contracts and somewhat approximate a maximum salary for Carmelo Anthony in the offseason. This would also entail Phil Jackson working with a team he likely doesn’t want to (though he and Reinsdorf do have a good relationship), and Anthony turning down the Madison Square Garden spotlight, likely well over $30 million (remember, Chicago can’t offer the full “other team” maximum, as Houston did last year with Dwight Howard), and MSG’s tired 2015 “plan” that is no guarantee to ever play out.
This much is known: Joakim Noah is in his prime, Taj Gibson is in his prime, the Bulls have several rotation holes to fill if the much-maligned Kirk Hinrich and Boozer go elsewhere this summer, and the return (or even sound play) of D.J. Augustin is far from assured. It’s hard to tell if general manager Gar Forman and VP John Paxson are just unfortunate tools for Reinsdorf’s tax-avoiding ways, or if they are just that inconsistent in their approach, and there are genuine questions as to whether or not Tom Thibodeau’s stubborn nature (Jimmer Fredette couldn’t have helped you guys when Augustin was shooting 1-10?) holds this team back on its losing nights.
That’s not even getting into how Derrick Rose will look next fall. On opening night he’ll be playing just his 50th regular season NBA game since his 2010-11 MVP season ended. That’s 50 games, in three and a half years.
There is genuine concern that the Bulls will play up their two middling draft picks, search again for a one-year wonder on the wing and in the backcourt, attempt to bring Mirotic over for a so-so salary before ultimately failing, and once again put the pressure on Derrick Rose’s two surgically-repaired knees, Joakim Noah’s aching everything, and Tom Thibodeau’s “THIS FEBRUARY GAME IN ORLANDO IS OUR GAME 7!”-approach once again. While pointing to a shiny new practice facility, and tossing the carrot of yet another year full of flexibility in front of Bulls fans for what seems like the 15th year in a row, since Jerry Krause emptied his roster in search of cap space in 1999.
Or, they could get ‘Melo.
Big summer, this. Just your franchise on the line. No big deal.
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Kelly Dwyer is an editor for Ball Don't Lie on Yahoo Sports. Have a tip? Email him at [email protected] or follow him on Twitter! Follow @KDonhoops
mat2323
OzCardTrader
Bulls have gibsons contact on the books aswell as 2 first round picks on the books (theirs plus bobcats) can afford James unless he takes a pay cut and plays for 14 or 15 million down from the 20 he can gee from miami plus bulls Can only offer 4 years where heat can offer 5, this is not imposable because dwight Howard did it but a very long shot
Jaames
Seahawks/Knicks/Liverpool
Anyone see the news about D Rose being accused of drugging and gang raping his ex girlfriend in 2013?
mat2323
OzCardTrader
I read this was a fake report, none of the major sites reporting it, so I'm guessing fake because of it was real espn and the rest would be all over it.
Jaames
Seahawks/Knicks/Liverpool
I actually thought that it could be fake. I was at work so wasn't able to dig around and see if it was fake or not
mat2323
OzCardTrader
He's not been charged by police, the ex gf has gone thru 4 lawyers and has had them making demands to rose for millions to make it go away, just a gold digging ex from the sounds of it.
Billyhoyle
Im Not Juan Garcia
who are we drafting? I hope Mo Bamba
I'm keen on Bamba too, unfortunately I don't think he will still be there at #7.
Might need to trade up with ATL or MEM if we want him.
Otherwise I'd be happy with Porter Jr or Wendell Carter Jr
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