1986 Fleer Basketball Unopened Wax Pack Graded 10

[gemz23]

Originally Posted by johnsmithysmithy

The bottom card is a number 11 Dominique Wilkins RC Sticker

The Top card is unknown because I can't push against the plastic capsule to know what it is.

Guys these are unsearched packs, they were from a wax box, to find out if you had a Jordan you would of had to open each and every pack and careful close it again, which is impossible.

I know these boxes weren't factory sealed but they were from a box which would of been unsearched because than GAI wouldn't put down from a full box.

Thanks

i think u can actually find out which packet has the jordan ( kinda like pack searching) and when the best bits our gone they sell the remaining packs. unless in was a sealed graded box, most of those have been search already.

[johnsmithysmithy]

Originally Posted by gemz23

i think u can actually find out which packet has the jordan ( kinda like pack searching) and when the best bits our gone they sell the remaining packs. unless in was a sealed graded box, most of those have been search already.

Well if there is solid evidence, I like to see it, some people think that all pack before 1989 were searched but I have opened a unopened pack both fake and real and I know when you get a real pack you have alot of white powder in it to protect the card,

Guys your just going off rumors, most of us never was busting boxes in 1986.

[adhunt99]

everyone's heard the rumours, but is there any solid proof you can tell by the bottom card?

[immune3]

Originally Posted by adhunt99

everyone's heard the rumours, but is there any solid proof you can tell by the bottom card?

yeah thats it, like i said before its only the opinion i have formed from reading what other people have written on the subject on other forums.......ive never opened a pack of 86 fleer myself.....so it is really just rumours, but rumours from people that know a lot about the topic....(ill see if i can dig up the thread)

[johnsmithysmithy]

Maybe its easy to know if you have a Jordan Sticker RC but to find the number #57 RC is much harder to find, the odds were 1:12, so 3 Jordan RC #57 from each box, there could of been more or even less Jordan in each box, Also there are many other great players as well and future/& Hall of Famers in
Barkley, Malone, Ewing, Bird, Magic, McHale, Worthy, Olajuwon, Wilkins, Thomas, Dumars and much much more, thats why this will always be the greatest set to ever collect.

[immune3]

Originally Posted by johnsmithysmithy

Maybe its easy to know if you have a Jordan Sticker RC but to find the number #57 RC is much harder to find, the odds were 1:12, so 3 Jordan RC #57 from each box, there could of been more or even less Jordan in each box, Also there are many other great players as well and future/& Hall of Famers in
Barkley, Malone, Ewing, Bird, Magic, McHale, Worthy, Olajuwon, Wilkins, Thomas, Dumars and much much more, thats why this will always be the greatest set to ever collect.

yeah exactly........i think sometime were all guilty of forgetting the calibre of superstar RC's that are in this product........any one of those stars cards with a high grade fetches an exceptional price!! And really forget about the money i would be honered to have a graded RC of any of those in my collection, thus the reason im trying to piece a PSA set together still a great mailday mate!!

[Billyhoyle]

for those questioning the "rumour"

I'm sure Chad will be able to provide more info on this but my understanding.

The collation of packs was not very random, meaning that packs were exactly the same. So as we know John has Nique sticker on the back, that pack will be the same as every other pack with Nique on the back.

and I agree that yes it says from a full box, but as you acknowledged these were not sealed boxes, so it would be very easy to remove the Jordan packs and replace them with non-jordan packs

[chadjaja]

Correct. They were collated in such an order it was easy to figure out what pack contained contained a Jordan RC. I suggest seeing you are selling it John you do the research yourself before making claims its all rumour.

Some of us have been in the hobby for decades and the reason this place exists is that it brings knowledge to the masses. There is more to this site than simple maildays looking at cards. I suggest you take the advice or look for yourself.

As Cocky suggests it would be dead easy to note the player on the back of a Jordan pack and simply pull that pack when it came back from GAI.

No one is denying you to sell this pack. It has the best chance of being sealed compared to raw packs for sale but everyone should know that you don't have the same chance of pulling a Jordan than what you did if you had a box of packs and simply put your hand in to grab a random pack. Its the shame the hobby is money driven but the reality is the part of the hobby for collectors comes last.

Also ONLY the pack itself is graded. There is no guarantee that the cards inside are psa 10 condition and centering can usually be seen from the back sticker and usually the centering is fairly consistent thru out that pack or box. I know of many product from older times where collectors bust one pack, check centering and then sell the rest of the box or keep busting.

[graham]

Originally Posted by Billyhoyle

The collation of packs was not very random, meaning that packs were exactly the same. So as we know John has Nique sticker on the back, that pack will be the same as every other pack with Nique on the back.

Not quite true, as there were plenty less stickers than actual cards. But if you know the collation (and it is not widely advertised by those in the know for obvious reasons) then you can pick which packs have what cards by what the front card is. It isn't that all packs are the same, but that they were packed in the same order.

To also say that it is impossible to go through the packs looking for the Jordans and reseal them is impossible - that's exactly how it happens, and unfortunately GAI have been caught out recently with grading and slabbed tampered and resealed packs. Personally, I would not have purchased such a high end pack in a GAI slab, but that was your personal decision and wish you luck with the sale.

[slobbythegreat]

This is a great thread, i never knew about the pack collating, the boxes being packed the same and the odds of the Jordan RC. So with all the information flowing around in here my questions are these.

Where were the Jordan packs eg 2 across 3 down?
Who was on the front and back of the Jordan packs? Were there diff players?