1986 Fleer Basketball Unopened Wax Pack Graded 10

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    1986 Fleer Basketball Unopened Wax Pack Graded 10

    GAI Authentic - UnOpened 1986 Fleer Basketball Wax Pack

    From a full box

    so this pack came out from a unsearched box, High chances of finding a Jordan, Barkley, Malone RC (36 packs in a box, odds of Jordan RC is 1:12 packs)

    Graded Perfect 10

    GAI cerf verification: 10044945

    I picked this up awhile ago, I thought I'll show it and Im actually going to be selling this, I like to hear all offers please PM me in US dollars.

    I like to hear all offers, If you seen these on ebay you know how much they go for and they rarely appear on ebay you mostly see graded 8s or 9s most of the time.

    thanks for looking.

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    be tempting to wanna open that thing up!
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    rhysjsolomon I'M BACK!!!!!!

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    damn son! thats crazy!!!

    very nice!!
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    That's nice.

    I think those packs you can usually see the top and bottom card. Can you see what you have?
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    and can't you tell if you have a Jordan by the top and bottom card?
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    I have heard this rumour too
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    And therefore its easy to search a box even if every pack has been GAI graded.

    So it came out of an unopened box but you can't claim an unsearched box based on the collation and wrapper on this product.
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    exactly......it is very very easy to pick the packs with jordans in it.....due the the fact that all the cards were sequently packed into packs........so even though its a gai 10 the odds these days off pulling a jordan is very very low unfortunatley as almost all jordans would have been opened by now IMO......and the other packs are graded to sell off knowing that jordan is not in them.......just my opinion though.......its an awesome piece of NBA memorabilia though :thumbsup:
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    werd, indeed a nice bit of memrobilia.
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    The bottom card is a number 11 Dominique Wilkins RC Sticker

    The Top card is unknown because I can't push against the plastic capsule to know what it is.

    Guys these are unsearched packs, they were from a wax box, to find out if you had a Jordan you would of had to open each and every pack and careful close it again, which is impossible.

    I know these boxes weren't factory sealed but they were from a box which would of been unsearched because than GAI wouldn't put down from a full box.

    Thanks
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    i think u can actually find out which packet has the jordan ( kinda like pack searching) and when the best bits our gone they sell the remaining packs. unless in was a sealed graded box, most of those have been search already.
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    Well if there is solid evidence, I like to see it, some people think that all pack before 1989 were searched but I have opened a unopened pack both fake and real and I know when you get a real pack you have alot of white powder in it to protect the card,

    Guys your just going off rumors, most of us never was busting boxes in 1986.
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    everyone's heard the rumours, but is there any solid proof you can tell by the bottom card?
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    yeah thats it, like i said before its only the opinion i have formed from reading what other people have written on the subject on other forums.......ive never opened a pack of 86 fleer myself.....so it is really just rumours, but rumours from people that know a lot about the topic....(ill see if i can dig up the thread) :thumbsup:
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    Maybe its easy to know if you have a Jordan Sticker RC but to find the number #57 RC is much harder to find, the odds were 1:12, so 3 Jordan RC #57 from each box, there could of been more or even less Jordan in each box, Also there are many other great players as well and future/& Hall of Famers in
    Barkley, Malone, Ewing, Bird, Magic, McHale, Worthy, Olajuwon, Wilkins, Thomas, Dumars and much much more, thats why this will always be the greatest set to ever collect.
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    yeah exactly........i think sometime were all guilty of forgetting the calibre of superstar RC's that are in this product........any one of those stars cards with a high grade fetches an exceptional price!! And really forget about the money i would be honered to have a graded RC of any of those in my collection, thus the reason im trying to piece a PSA set together :thumbsup: still a great mailday mate!!
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    for those questioning the "rumour"

    I'm sure Chad will be able to provide more info on this but my understanding.

    The collation of packs was not very random, meaning that packs were exactly the same. So as we know John has Nique sticker on the back, that pack will be the same as every other pack with Nique on the back.

    and I agree that yes it says from a full box, but as you acknowledged these were not sealed boxes, so it would be very easy to remove the Jordan packs and replace them with non-jordan packs
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    Correct. They were collated in such an order it was easy to figure out what pack contained contained a Jordan RC. I suggest seeing you are selling it John you do the research yourself before making claims its all rumour.

    Some of us have been in the hobby for decades and the reason this place exists is that it brings knowledge to the masses. There is more to this site than simple maildays looking at cards. I suggest you take the advice or look for yourself.

    As Cocky suggests it would be dead easy to note the player on the back of a Jordan pack and simply pull that pack when it came back from GAI.

    No one is denying you to sell this pack. It has the best chance of being sealed compared to raw packs for sale but everyone should know that you don't have the same chance of pulling a Jordan than what you did if you had a box of packs and simply put your hand in to grab a random pack. Its the shame the hobby is money driven but the reality is the part of the hobby for collectors comes last.

    Also ONLY the pack itself is graded. There is no guarantee that the cards inside are psa 10 condition and centering can usually be seen from the back sticker and usually the centering is fairly consistent thru out that pack or box. I know of many product from older times where collectors bust one pack, check centering and then sell the rest of the box or keep busting.
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    Not quite true, as there were plenty less stickers than actual cards. But if you know the collation (and it is not widely advertised by those in the know for obvious reasons) then you can pick which packs have what cards by what the front card is. It isn't that all packs are the same, but that they were packed in the same order.

    To also say that it is impossible to go through the packs looking for the Jordans and reseal them is impossible - that's exactly how it happens, and unfortunately GAI have been caught out recently with grading and slabbed tampered and resealed packs. Personally, I would not have purchased such a high end pack in a GAI slab, but that was your personal decision and wish you luck with the sale.
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    This is a great thread, i never knew about the pack collating, the boxes being packed the same and the odds of the Jordan RC. So with all the information flowing around in here my questions are these.

    Where were the Jordan packs eg 2 across 3 down?
    Who was on the front and back of the Jordan packs? Were there diff players?

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